McCain's platform for '08

[101Scout]

If Bush hasn't locked his crew of bandits into office by '08 under martial law, and if McCain runs for the '08 election as expected, share what platform will be used for his campaign running up to the '08 election? Remember also, that it's my best guess in that America will have at least two additional active war fronts by that time. I imagine that gas and just about everthing else (cost of living) will certainly soar ever more by mid summer of '08.

Will McCain's military background outweigh any Democrat's legit platform to better our economy and support civil rights, etc etc given the scenario of such extra war front(s) along with the Iraq/Afghan raging fiasco? Anotherwords, will the GOP, once again, force feed Americans the basic fear factor via global wars and terrorism (WWIII) that puts another GOPer into office in '08?

Run with this :rundog:

[lisainmilo]

If Bush hasn't locked his crew of bandits into office by '08 under martial law, and if McCain runs for the '08 election as expected, share what platform will be used for his campaign running up to the '08 election? Remember also, that it's my best guess in that America will have at least two additional active war fronts by that time. I imagine that gas and just about everthing else (cost of living) will certainly soar ever more by mid summer of '08.

Will McCain's military background outweigh any Democrat's legit platform to better our economy and support civil rights, etc etc given the scenario of such extra war front(s) along with the Iraq/Afghan raging fiasco? Anotherwords, will the GOP, once again, force feed Americans the basic fear factor via global wars and terrorism (WWIII) that puts another GOPer into office in '08?

Run with this :rundog:
We will know more Tuesday. I agree with you, if the Republicans fix the election, Mc Cain will be it. I agree with you we will have 2 additional war fronts if Bush has his way. We will surely have a draft. If we win I will be rooting for Clark, maybe Kerry.

[101Scout]

We will know more Tuesday. I agree with you, if the Republicans fix the election, Mc Cain will be it. I agree with you we will have 2 additional war fronts if Bush has his way. We will surely have a draft. If we win I will be rooting for Clark, maybe Kerry.

There was a time when I held respect for McCain. Since McCain was bashed badly by Bush, McCain slowly turned into weak mush. I actually wondered how much different things would have been with McCain in office rather than being stuck with Goober Bush back when McCain really wanted to clean up corruption in DC. He'd been the better Republican for the first 4 yrs in my opinion. Dem would have been best.

I have liked Clark before. I, of course, liked Kerry after he was nominated. Now, I'm afraid that Kerry has been permanetly ruined. He's attacked by just about everyone now. I can't for the life of me see why he's become such an easy target other than he's more honest than most politicians. I think that's the answer right there. Honesty will not work in DC. Too many big corp crooks and thieves are deeply entrenched thruout this entire nation and they have their deep hooks into most politicians so they will control anyone who enters the oval office for their 4 yr tour. That brings us to the topic of this thread.

Since it appears that McCain will be the Republican ticket in '08 now, we know that the GOP have already planned out the blueprints in what happens on our planet until 2009. Those blueprints support their PNAC NeoCon agenda. It's all about wars now. Serious Wars!

The Dems need to look hard at this, because I'm afraid that no matter how much we try hard to prevent WWIII and those additional war fronts, the Republicans have until Jan 20, 2009 to set fire to the world. It's well on its way to that scenario now as we type. So therefore, IMHO, the Dems must produce a very smart and experienced veteran who also has beaucoup diplomacy. That person must be able to face every horrible situation for making wise decisions that this country will be faced with between 2009 and 2013.

The Republicans and NeoCons has masterminded where we are now for over 3 decades. Their playbook will be passed to the one who becomes our nation's coach in 2009 rather we like it or not. By the time 2009 gets here, the US will have probably quadrupled the 'active' global enemy base against this nation because death and destruction simply does that to millions who suffer at the hands of barbarians who invade their homelands. No matter who now fires off the first nuke devices, it all was brought on by BushCo. So, IMHO, the other major factor that will exist by 2009 which will be a first for our nation with the nuclear factor. I feel that the word 'nuclear' will be in the minds of everyone by the time Nov elections come about in 2008. Those candidates will have to deal with a horribly struggling nation on our homefront and deal with nuclear contamination abroad. I know this is an extremely heavy statement to make, and I wish it would never come true, but BushCo, since Bush I, has pushed it beyond saving I'm afraid.

That's what the Dems will be faced with by the 2008's elections. One who will somehow keep this country afloat among it's financial catastrophe and errupting nuclear wars. The mindset for running this nation will become extremely crucial in 2008. The Dems must produce one who will save as many as they can under such circumstances. No promises... no song and dance bullshit routine. Serious words of truth that will help many here to bond and pull together for the worst of times ahead. Myself, I want that Dem to flat put it to the big corp bastards.... and make them pay for the deficits that they've induced on us. Until our deficits are payed off, well never have any breathing room.

McCain will come out with his Republican playbook already drawn up and backed by their usual fear factor rhetoric.The Dems must think ahead of that playbook and snatch the game right from under their feet. The main subject will be about serious wars.... for sure. Now the Dems must take it from there by presenting their version that finally REWARDs the 'original' people of this nation once and for all. Security at home. The road to ending world wars and nuclear armament. Accountability in leadership without the corruption. Livelihoods that holds us ALL together in unity!!

Will Clark be the one to do start that process? Whomever it is, it's got to be the one who truly assures us that they will do this. That's the one that I will back with my life. The clock is now ticking.

[Christine]

I'd support Wesley Clark. He has the heart, the soul and the brains...and an honorable military record. But I'd rather not go military unless I had to, in a candidate.

[Kbob]

Regardless of the positions he takes, McCain is going to spend a lot of time emphasizing two points.

1) "I'm a moderate."

2) "I'm not too old."

McCain has done a pretty great job these past 6 years -- and the media has been helping him a lot -- presenting himself as a politician who wants to work with both sides of the aisle. But let's all bear one thing in mind... "Moderate" is a bullshit word for just about any politician when there are only two sides being considered to most issues and only one of two ways to vote.

McCain might want us to THINK he's a "moderate," but I could not possibly care less what about what he's saying if he continues to vote with the radical right.

McCain has been graded a 0% from both NARAL on Aborion issues and a 0% from the ACLU on Civil Rights issues. He's been graded a dismal 43% by the NEA on Education Issues, but conversely a 83% by the Christian Colition for his voting record on "family values." A troubling 25% by the APHA on the subject of public health and a wretched 15% by the AFL-CIO for his union support.
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As to his age... actually not a real issue for me, but it will be a matter of attention that he will be 72 years old in 2008 - older by three years than Reagan was when he became president, and if elected would become the oldest man ever to hold that office.

Personally, being half-Chinese, I'll never be able to completely forgive McCain for his idiotic "Gook" comment from 2000 and his initial refusal to take the comment back. Sorry. Call me stubborn if you want to.
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[101Scout]

I'd support Wesley Clark. He has the heart, the soul and the brains...and an honorable military record. But I'd rather not go military unless I had to, in a candidate.

The picture that I paint by 2008 is one that basically forces us to be faced with serious military situations that may be very crucial for our existance. As you know, I'm not advocating all the bullshit that BushCo has forced us into. That's just exactly what they've done to all of us Americans in real life. They forced us into these wars now using it as their fear factor card. Just as they shoved us into war with Iraq, and trapping us there now, I expect the same to happen very soon with Bushie's other 'axis of evil' states. That is why I feel that we will not have a choice but to fight now.... in 'their' wars. We'll be trapped for doing so without choice.

That was why getting Kerry elected into office in '04 was SO VERY IMPORTANT because we desperately needed diplomacy in the biggest way with the Asian to African countries in turmoil. That didn't happen... so now for the next 2 years, we'll have so many more serious enemies against America who will want us dead. That's the only point I'm making about us now having to seriously consider that special war president who may also seek diplomatic resolve if ever the chance would materialize between the US and foreign nations at war with us.

That is why these asshole Republicans throw this back in our faces about "How can we now win this war in Iraq?" The answer is.... we can't. The Republicans created their catch 22 scenario for this, and now blame the Dems for it all.

It's too far gone now ..... and until we serve up the real culprits of these wars, BushCo, to the International Community as justice served, we now OWN ALL GROWING ENEMIES against the US. As those enemies see itnow, we've not made the proper corections in these last 5 years in what BushCo has committed against mankind. 5 years of destruction and carnage with all its suffering is a long time for millions of ppl to forgive and forget. Their hatred towards us is real and very deep. Those coming additional war fronts will simply reenforces what they now know in what they must do to the killer nation, USA. I don't see them reversing their outlook towards us now that we've gone this far (under the GOP regime) with our destructive crusade. We're stuck with such wars until one or both sides runs out of bullets. As I have stated in any of my predictions of such, I always hope that I'm wrong and something will happen to reverse this. I'm just not feeling it at all.

With that said, I'm afraid that we will be forced to take on the posture for defending ourselves very soon. In 2009, so much will be horribly at stake, it will take a new president with matching 12 backbones and minds to bring us thru all that we'll be faced with.... in times that we've not yet experienced.

I'm certainly not saying that McCain is the one to do it. I agree with what Kbob reported here about McCain's abilities at his age. Plus, he's also now a true red Republican saturated thru and thru severely inflected by the feces of BushCo. He's just another wasted NeoCon turned BushCon.

What I am saying tho is, that by 2009, the Republican PNAC playbook will have us right smack in the middle of their WWIII crusade with hardly anyway of getting out of it without 'fighting'...... because I seriously and sadly doubt that we'll see any true justice served on the BushCon bandits before our International Community beforehand. There will be no 'time outs' called in these coming Asian wars. Not in any real sense. The nuclear factor will have pushed things so far beyond reconciliation by 2009, that conventional thinking will be long gone by then. That's why a war prez will be called for in my most honest opinion. One who is the TOTAL opposite of 'the wad' Cheney and Goober. One who has military experience. One who'll now adopt the horrors and tragedies created by the BushCons and NeoCons during the last 3+ decades. We're talking bonafide raw survival between 2009 and 2013.

Oh.... yes it's always been about the oil in Asia and the ME. Control of it in those regions. The oil of Iraq will be mostly intended for those who are 'allies' to BushCo. I don't mean Canada or Australia either if you catch my drift. ;)

[BigJerr]

to get things done. Remember McCain - Feingold? That's one reason why they call McCain a "Moderate Republican". But, McCain is no moderate he's fairly conservative.

[101Scout]

to get things done. Remember McCain - Feingold? That's one reason why they call McCain a "Moderate Republican". But, McCain is no moderate he's fairly conservative.

You know before he had to start licking Bush's ass for a living BigJerr, McCain was really ok. I probably would have tagged him as a moderate conservative prior to 2002/2003. McCain worked many years with Kerry prior to 2003. Many! Then McCain started to hang with Hilary C more and more after he changed into a pompus Bushass prior to the '04 selection. What's that tell you?

There's no doubt that once upon a time, McCain was extremely honorable and trusting. Not anymore!!!!

[lil]

What I am saying tho is, that by 2009, the Republican PNAC playbook will have us right smack in the middle of their WWIII crusade with hardly anyway of getting out of it without 'fighting'...... because I seriously and sadly doubt that we'll see any true justice served on the BushCon bandits before our International Community beforehand. There will be no 'time outs' called in these coming Asian wars. Not in any real sense. The nuclear factor will have pushed things so far beyond reconciliation by 2009, that conventional thinking will be long gone by then. That's why a war prez will be called for in my most honest opinion. One who is the TOTAL opposite of 'the wad' Cheney and Goober. One who has military experience. One who'll now adopt the horrors and tragedies created by the BushCons and NeoCons during the last 3+ decades. We're talking bonafide raw survival between 2009 and 2013.




That's exactly it Scout.
The PNAC playbook. The RAD doc. We were told in advance and I guess no one cared or took them seriously. And when the PNAC really began to take over no one could believe that a small group of people could take over the country.
Nahhh, that's just a conspiracy theory right? Blech!

The ignorance of these people that support this administration is mindboggling. There is no such thing as an intelligent conversation with them about it. The things that come forth from their mouths on the issues surrounding this President are ridiculous. What they believe about both elections, 911, Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Oil. They mainline the kill or be killed poison spewing from the veins of Fox news and they soak it up every Sunday in their Rapture Ready sermons.

But, it isn't just the people, it is the fact that the PNAC now has things pretty locked up; Supreme Court, patriot act - basically the legal system. Additionally, the media - their propaganda machine. They have the Oil, the money - blood money if you will. They have the military and on a side note here - I am sick and tired of hearing for almost 3 yrs now that there is going to be a military coup. Show us. Let us not forget also that the PNAC heads the UN as well as the World Bank.

I want to have more hope than I do about Tuesday's election. I hope that the gut feeling I have is way off. That said, in '08 I don't think we will be any better than we are now and I agree with your gloomy scenario there after. Raw survival.

:::shivers:::

[lisainmilo]

You know before he had to start licking Bush's ass for a living BigJerr, McCain was really ok. I probably would have tagged him as a moderate conservative prior to 2002/2003. McCain worked many years with Kerry prior to 2003. Many! Then McCain started to hang with Hilary C more and more after he changed into a pompus Bushass prior to the '04 selection. What's that tell you?

There's no doubt that once upon a time, McCain was extremely honorable and trusting. Not anymore!!!!


Scout you and my hubby have alot in common including your feelings toward Mc Cain. He tells me he once respected Mc Cain but then Mc Cain caved into Bush. Mc Cain was once respected by alot of veterans, but the older ones have caught on.

[101Scout]

Scout you and my hubby have alot in common including your feelings toward Mc Cain. He tells me he once respected Mc Cain but then Mc Cain caved into Bush. Mc Cain was once respected by alot of veterans, but the older ones have caught on.

I would think that your hubby, myself and 100,000s of other Nam Vets all feel the same way when it comes to corrupt politicians and wars. I always had split feelings about McCain. He was AF.. so his real test for endurance, of course, started when his jet went down and he was captured, where he spent several years at the Hanoi Hilton. That's where he earned so much of his HERO image.

That's the respect that we speak of for McCain. That, and when he stood up to the DC corruption as a Senator, before BushCo runined him. You know, it's worse when one turncoats on their ppl just to save their pathetic image that pisses me off. McCain had always stood up to the Goober and his asshole GOP cult and EXPOSED DC corruption more than ever before, which made me MORE proud of McCain than his hitch in Hanoi. Then when he rolled over, I first couldn't believe it. So as he continued to crawl to the GOP assholes, it made me completely sick in what they turned him into. I bet that's what your hubby saw too Lisa. McCain proved to us that he can be bought. It's now up to us 'vets' with our 'gut' intinct along with you all with their wide open to pass the word about McCain. I'd feel the same way about McCain now, if he were a Dem or Independent. He wants to represent the 'new' Conservative movement. I might had bought that in 1999. No way now!

Now that he's got the '08 fever going, he'll copy cat his routine prior to 2000. BEWARE! It's the 'not so improved' version of a campaigning snake McCain!! He'll make it soooooo inviting to back him as he fights govt 'corruption' again. He's blown his real cover now.... as just another Bush lap doggie posturing himself to lead more Repuke think tanks into global wars.

[zatoichi1]

I understand the attitudes here but let's look at this for what it is.

2008 is two years from now. To be sure, the electoral process really starts a year from now, but things will change.

A couple points should be understood.

1) the landscape will change. Very drasticly. Not a small one but a sea change. What is relevant now will not be seen in the same light two years from now.

2) McCain is a US Senator. He will have more than a few weaknesses in his voting record.

However good McCain looks right now, will undoubtably change by 2008.

[GymGeekAus]

Who thinks McCain looks good right now?

He's a politician without a parade!