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101Scout
01-05-2008, 12:21 PM
How many times have we heard on the local or national news about Cops involved with domestic violence in the past 5-10 years? Lots! How many girlfriends and wives of Cops turns up missing? How many times are these cases involving Cops covered-up by their own dept? Many!

Please click on the url for more stories of abuse and cover-ups by the Cops. I'm sure this is just a tip of the iceburg with what really goes on and gets reported.


What's wrong with this picture... Cops, their weapons and dept connections when it comes to their love affairs??

Should Cops who are suspected of abusing 'others' be allowed to own weapons outside their workplace????




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July 23, 2003

Cops who abuse their wives rarely pay the price

By RUTH TEICHROEB AND JULIE DAVIDOW
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTERS

Their wedding cake shimmered with pearls, symbolizing marital bliss. Armfuls of roses, in shades of lavender and cream, scented the hall.

Less than two months later, the Seattle police officer found himself under investigation for domestic violence.

That night at their Burien home, Jenifer Rees watched in disbelief as King County sheriff's deputies handed her intoxicated husband back his gun and let him drive away -- so he wouldn't miss work in the morning.

"It was like, 'You're one of us, so you can leave,' " Jenifer Rees, 34, recalled. "He could have come back and blown my head off."

He'd flown into a rage and slammed her into a wall, she told deputies, according to the police report. She showed them a scrape on the side of her head and said he had hurled a dresser drawer at her. But rather than further incite his wrath, she refused to cooperate in the investigation.

Phil Rees denied the allegations. No charges were filed. The Seattle Police Department didn't discipline the veteran officer, who had been accused of domestic violence before, in 1998 and 1999.

Today, it could be Officer Rees who arrives at the door when a battered woman calls 911 in the city's Southwest Precinct.

It's a scenario being repeated every day in Western Washington.

Over the past five years, 41 officers in King and Pierce counties alone have been accused of assaulting, stalking, threatening or harassing their wives, girlfriends or children, a five-month investigation by the Seattle Post-Intelligencer has found.

The officers, employed at 12 police agencies running the gamut from metropolitan to rural, were identified through searches of civil and criminal records, and public disclosure requests for internal investigations.

Most have paid little, if any, professional price. Only half faced charges.

The reasons for that sometimes have little to do with guilt or innocence.

Victims may refuse to pursue charges, fearing further violence or financial ruin if an abuser loses his job. Some police departments don't bother to take abuse allegations seriously.

The most horrifying reminder of that came on April 26 when Tacoma police Chief David Brame shot his wife, Crystal, in a Gig Harbor parking lot, then killed himself moments later. The murder-suicide has exposed serious concerns about how city officials minimized signs of Brame's violent nature.

Top city officials promoted the veteran officer up through the ranks, handing him the top job in January 2002 -- even though they knew he'd been accused of raping a woman in 1988.

They defended Brame and refused to take action after his wife filed for divorce in February and accused him of pointing a gun at her and choking her four times in the previous year.

Seeking answers to what went wrong, Crystal Brame's family filed a $75 million claim against the city last month. Criminal and civil investigations are under way as the fallout continues: Acting police Chief Catherine Woodard was put on leave after being accused of misconduct related to the Brame divorce, and City Manager Ray Corpuz, who appointed Brame to chief, has been fired.

Puget Sound-area police officials want the public to believe that Brame was an aberration, that those entrusted with a gun and badge are held to a higher standard of conduct than civilians, following a strict moral code on and off duty.

But the P-I found that most police departments are falling short on a number of fronts in the way they handle domestic violence allegations against officers. The departments are:

* Creating a double standard by not immediately arresting officers accused of domestic violence. Ordinary citizens facing such allegations are routinely jailed.

* Putting victims at greater risk by not taking away the officers' guns. During the investigation, officers suspected of abuse should be taken off patrol and not allowed to carry weapons, according to model policies drafted by national experts.

* Failing to conduct thorough internal investigations of the incidents -- or, in some cases, not bothering with any review. That's how officers escape disciplinary action, experts say.

* Rarely determining there was wrongdoing in domestic violence complaints against officers, and meting out minimal discipline in the vast majority of those cases.

* Lacking specific policies on how to deal with officers accused of abuse.

Only one of the officers identified by the P-I was convicted of a domestic violence-related crime, and prosecutors and police officials in King and Pierce counties could not recall any other cases in recent years.

(much more in the article)

Nanette
01-05-2008, 12:44 PM
Victims may refuse to pursue charges, fearing further violence or financial ruin if an abuser loses his job. Some police departments don't bother to take abuse allegations seriously.


This is exactly what my daughter went through for years. She was terrified of her police officer husband. Every time that she she said she would call the law he would laugh in her face and told her that it wouldn't go anywhere. They would take his word over hers. She lived in that nightmare for years. I wished so many times the I had reported his abusive behavior, but I was so afraid that he would kill her if I did.

I do know for a fact that they let fellow officers go when they break the law. I was in the car with them one evening and he was doing 90mph in their private car. The police did pull him over, but when he showed the officer he was a cop they started joking around with each other and the officer patted him on the shoulder and just walked back to his cruiser and drove off. No ticket, no warning, nothing.

I kept telling James to slow down he was going to get a ticket or get us killed and just laughed it off. He said they won't do anything to ME! I said well maybe not but I WOULD like to get home in one piece!

No, police officers DO look the other way when their own does wrong. I have personally seen too much of it to suit me for the rest of my life.

101Scout
01-06-2008, 10:39 AM
Nanette, your stories here in DW about cops and the mentality that they sport have been God sent. I've known of so many bad cop stories in my life, that they all become jumbled over the years. We both know that there's a few good cops... and they deserve our respect, but there's way too many bad cops and cops who act above the law because they somehow got a badge to hide behind.

Now we must wonder what about these 'good ole boy' cops who sport this mentality in their relationships that has weapons and the 'good ole boys club' to help cover up their actions? At what point should a cop lose his rights to own weapons at home after signs of domestic or other abuse cases? What happen to cops being known as peace officers who should only use a weapon/fist when absolutely necessary? I think we need more courts to step in and weed these chickens out of the force(s) across this nation!!!! Punk cops sure the hell don't need weapons at home if they can't control their tempers/attitudes in their relationships!!!

Nanette
01-06-2008, 01:59 PM
Cops don't need to be cops period if they can't control their tempers and go off on tantrums at home or anywhere else. They shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm of any sort. This sort of mentality puts the public at risk, not to mention the sheer terror of their loved ones who have to endure their wrath at home with nowhere to turn. They can't call the cops to come help them, and they know that. I said in an earlier post that the good cops out there should be weeding out these bad apples. There should be a way for a good cop to be able to report such abusive behavior in anonymity without repercussions.

Can you imagine what a good cop would go through with his fellows if he was known to be a rat? They would kill him, pure and simple. I can understand to a point why they stay silent. It is a shame and disgrace isn't it?

leftysergeant
01-06-2008, 05:32 PM
I agree that there needs to be better psychological screening of all police officers. Coming from an abusive family background should raise a red flag at the start. That sort of thing becomes ingrained into a person's whole world view.

Part of the problem is that law enforcement attracts persons with an inherently authoritarian mind set. Such a mindset is also part of the psychological make-up of an abuser.

Part of on-going proferssional development of police officers should include regular psych screenings.

As an aside, the problem with abusive cops should also be a good reason for private ownership of weapons. If citizens are able, to some extent, to defend themselves and their communities, there is less need to give cops authority beyond the limits of the constituion.

Cops should just be there to maintain a watch over the neighborhood, to back up the citizens, to gather evidence when a crime occurs, to take custody of trouble makers and to identify potential problems before they get out of hand.

101Scout
01-07-2008, 07:33 PM
Here's another question for this thread.

What about the cops who do have a record for being 'unruly' in their work history and finally fall under investigation for which they are either investigated or suspended in which they should also surrender their service revolver. Should they also be searched for private weapons that they more than likely possess and be refused ownership of such private weapons?

leftysergeant
01-08-2008, 05:19 AM
Should they also be searched for private weapons that they more than likely possess and be refused ownership of such private weapons?

Yes. DUH!

101Scout
01-08-2008, 08:56 AM
Yes. DUH!

Ok.... a no brainer (DUH) works for me....

Follow-up question: (Remember that there's no current sufficient or accurate psychological screening in place that prevents known domestic abusers)

Should all cops of suspected domestic violence that is found to be a domestic abuser of his gf/spouse (even tho allowed to remain on the force) be refused to carry weapons when off duty or own / possess weapons at all? Anotherwords, should their be a LE regulation that strictly prohibits cops (that are known domestic abusers) of any ownership or possession of weapons while off duty?

Nanette
01-08-2008, 12:08 PM
Absolutely! From what I have seen, when they are off duty is when they are at their worst! That is when the abuse their spouses or girlfriends! That is a no brainer for me, if they abuse, they can't own firearms. Period!

Icky
01-08-2008, 03:12 PM
once again...

I mistrust ANYBODY who WANTS to be in a position of Authority or Power.

leftysergeant
01-08-2008, 05:49 PM
Having once gone through a BCDS court-martial on a bogus charge (and beat it) I can personally attest to the fact that being under suspicion and investigation is going to be stressful, whether the wrong-doing is actual or illusory.

Stress aggravates any mental disorder. If the suspect was brutal before the charges were raised, chances are he will be even more so when provoked afterwards.

If the individual is given to depression or situational dysthemia, count on that reaching severe levels, perhaps even a crisis. He'll go postal or crawl off in a corner and give his weapon a knobber.

Disarm them until they are convicted or exonnerated.

And make sure the shrink takes an occasional face-to-face look at him as a follow-up if he is returned to duty.

101Scout
01-08-2008, 08:33 PM
Having once gone through a BCDS court-martial on a bogus charge (and beat it) I can personally attest to the fact that being under suspicion and investigation is going to be stressful, whether the wrong-doing is actual or illusory.

Stress aggravates any mental disorder. If the suspect was brutal before the charges were raised, chances are he will be even more so when provoked afterwards.


I will agree that any charges applied to a person does raise stress levels. That also calls for close supervision of the subject, if possible of such, as I believe you have stated. Correct me if I am wrong to this point.

But..... are you suggesting that it would be wrong to apply charges or internal observations prematurely causing the accused to possibly do serious damage being under such stress levels of such an investigation?

If so, does that suggestion also include the premature removal of their ownership or possession of weapons before a complete mental evaluation or conviction?

leftysergeant
01-08-2008, 09:57 PM
I would say that the first preliminary actions should be conducted with all due speed. Like within 24 hours. I woulkd hope that an agency which deals with public safety were capable of swift action. It doesn't normally take much more than 48 hours to issue a restraining order in my experience. It can be done quicker than that, especially if the subject of such restraining order has, by definition, no conflicting business that would make it unduly burdensome to deal with the issue. A cop can sit around waiting for action at the job site, on the clock, unlike a civilian with a high-power job in business.

Nanette
01-09-2008, 02:08 AM
IMO if such charges are made against an officer, an IMMEDIATE psychological evaluation should be made mandatory by and independent medical expert. Not some doc that they hire for the force. I mean an immediate evaluation as soon as charges are filed. When the charges are filed all weapons should be surrendered until the officer is deemed fit to have them in his possession on the job or at home.

leftysergeant
01-09-2008, 06:53 AM
I do agree that an outside shrink would be less likely to cover a cop's ass, but I have to wonder how well some would understand a cop's way of thiunking.

I guess the first thing they would need to look for is whether the suject dispalys any sign of having a sense of humor.

That is actually a good sign of mental health. You do not want a humorless man packing heat, trust me.

From the few contacts I had at the time with Tacoma cops, I got the impression that David Braeme didn't laugh much. That would have scared me, had i had to work with him.

101Scout
01-09-2008, 03:27 PM
I do agree that an outside shrink would be less likely to cover a cop's ass, but I have to wonder how well some would understand a cop's way of thiunking.

I guess the first thing they would need to look for is whether the suject dispalys any sign of having a sense of humor.

That is actually a good sign of mental health. You do not want a humorless man packing heat, trust me.

From the few contacts I had at the time with Tacoma cops, I got the impression that David Braeme didn't laugh much. That would have scared me, had i had to work with him.


I think much like anything in life, or work force, a sense of humor helps to go a very long way that also relieves a lot of inner tensions. A very good quality to have......

BUT......

A majority of cops can sport a dual personality... one that allows them to cover their emotions and also lie whenever necessary. Hell cops lie all the time to get their confessions from a suspect. It's all about 'trickin' everybody else in order to get what 'they' want. The law, courts and badge mostly shields them in those dual personality actions. Just like an OJ, these folks display two sets of personality traits and they turn them off and on like a light switch.

For example... take this cop Drew Peterson today. Check out how cool, calm and collective this abusive SOB is. In front of the cameras, he's a caring sweetheart... and fun guy. Behind closed doors, he kicks the dog and whips his female companions... some to death. There's beaucoup cops just like this sorry fuck. Yes, I have known some in real life. Thick as fleas in most parts of the country.

Now, there's also a few good cops who are not able to play this dual role. I'd say their time on the force is tough because they too have to walk on eggshells around these two-faced narcissistic whackos with a badge..... and weapons including cuffs and the other 'restraining' accessories. Sometimes, they blow the whistle on these jerk offs... but then ...... they too seriously jeopardize their careers and their lives for being a truthful whistleblower or voice of reason.