Alleged Halliburton Rapists may go free!!!!

[101Scout]

Ok legal eagles of DW... weigh in on this one. Halliburton says they have Jones by the balls on this one because she signed in agreement not to take any legal actions against them.

OK... my question is....... since Halliburton is contracted by our govt and the employees are govt employees.... and they held one of their employees against her will, which is kidnapping/abduction and they gang raped her!!! Aren't these still multiple crimes committed by Fed Govt employees????!!!!!!!! Isn't it also a covered-up????!!!!!!!!

Isn't crime no longer a crime punishable by our nation's law when committed by the Feds/Emplyees under Federal contract???????? Is this the same as a Blackwater ruling now as to where anybody who carries Blackwater or Halliburton IDs are NOT held accountable for such crimes by serving time in jail??????


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CNN legal analyst: Alleged Halliburton rapists may go free

John Byrne and David Edwards
Published: Wednesday December 12, 2007

Because of an employment contract signed by Halliburton employees requiring that all disputes be settled out of court, a legal analyst for CNN says employees alleged of gang raping a former employee may go free.

Former employee Jamie Leigh Jones is filing a federal lawsuit claiming she was gang-raped by employees of Halliburton in Iraq and held shipping container with a bed, then told she would be fired if she sought medical treatment.

"She signed an employment contract and there is a mandatory arbitration clause in that contract," CNN legal analyst told Kiran Chetry on CNN's American Morning Tuesday. "It says if there's any dispute arising out of your employment or related to your employment, that dispute doesn't go before a jury, doesn't go before trial judge, goes before an arbitrator."



"She signed that right away with her employment contract and people do it all the time."


"You're talking money, not prison time for the accused if they are found guilty," Chetry added.

[Xena]

Dr. S would have the skinny on the law, but it seems to me that kidnapping and rape do not qualify as "dispute." These are out and out crimes, not disputes.

[SubstituteTeacher]

Yes, but wouldn't the contract she signed supersede everything? It is a legal document.

[Xena]

Again, I think it comes down to the definition of "dispute."

[101Scout]

Yes, but wouldn't the contract she signed supersede everything? It is a legal document.

The only huge questions is, what document or agreement can be signed that bypasses crimes under our Constitutional/Govt laws of our nation??

[SouthernDem2006]

It appears she is filing a civil action against them. Her signed waiver should apply to civil actions. Who knows if the waiver will hold up in court.

The question is, can criminal charges be filed by the US for crimes that happened in another country? Got me. I seem to remember a magician in the news recently for an alleged rape on an island that was not US territory. I think the Feds were going after him but I do not recall what for and I am to lazy to look.

[Xena]

It appears she is filing a civil action against them. Her signed waiver should apply to civil actions. Who knows if the waiver will hold up in court.

The question is, can criminal charges be filed by the US for crimes that happened in another country? Got me. I seem to remember a magician in the news recently for an alleged rape on an island that was not US territory. I think the Feds were going after him but I do not recall what for and I am to lazy to look.
A civil action probably falls under her contract. And, here's what MoveOn had to say about criminal action.

Dear MoveOn member,
Jamie Leigh Jones was a 20-year-old woman working in Iraq for a subsidiary of Halliburton when she was drugged and brutally gang-raped by several co-workers.

The next day, Halliburton told her that if she left Iraq to get medical treatment, she could lose her job.1

Jamie's story gets even more horrific: For the last two years, she's been asking the US government to hold the perpetrators accountable. But the men who raped her may never be brought to justice because Halliburton and other contractors in Iraq aren't subject to US or Iraqi laws. They can't be tried for a crime in any court.2

This is one of the most disturbing stories we have come across in a while. We're calling on Congress to investigate Jamie's case, hold those involved accountable, and bring US contractors under the jurisdiction of US law so this can't happen again. If hundreds of thousands of us speak out against this outrageous story, we can force Congress to take action.

[dr.strangelove]

It appears she is filing a civil action against them. Her signed waiver should apply to civil actions. Who knows if the waiver will hold up in court.

The question is, can criminal charges be filed by the US for crimes that happened in another country? Got me. I seem to remember a magician in the news recently for an alleged rape on an island that was not US territory. I think the Feds were going after him but I do not recall what for and I am to lazy to look.

SD has nailed it. Her complaint is for teh civil torts against her. She relinquished the right to make such complaints. B ut the contract may not be valid. If it was one-sided and she had no representation or choice but to sign it, it may get tossed. If not, the claism get arbitrated, which does not mean they go away, they just get dealt with in private. Arbitrations are fair proceedings where the parties agree on who decides the issues, usually from a list of well known unbiased professionals. the thing is though, whatever she wins is a secret. Regardless, this will all settle.

On the criminal issue, sicne it took place in Iraq, only Iraqi law would apply, but I understnad that Iraqi law has said it would not apply to this, so there will be no criminal prosecutions. This is sinful for IRaq's legislature to even consider. Just becuas eits not an iraqi citizen, the nation owes protections to people in thier nation.

[101Scout]

The question is, can criminal charges be filed by the US for crimes that happened in another country? Got me.

What I wonder also is that these crimes took place on US Military Reservation in Baghdad. Well, that's what I would call the "Green Zone". Is that not considered to be under US Jurisdiction being the "Green Zone"?

Then I also reflect back to many military personnel who has committed crime against foreigners on their soil. Some of those military personnel has been brought to justice for their crimes that has put them in jail.

I'm wondering now if Ms Jones doesn't have a chance to file charges in a Military Court? I know since she's not considered being 'military' but she is considered US govt employee under Military CONTRACT(S) ..... while again... also on the property of what I call the Green Zone as being a US Military Reservation.... inside Baghdad.

[101Scout]

SD has nailed it. Her complaint is for teh civil torts against her. She relinquished the right to make such complaints. B ut the contract may not be valid. If it was one-sided and she had no representation or choice but to sign it, it may get tossed. If not, the claism get arbitrated, which does not mean they go away, they just get dealt with in private. Arbitrations are fair proceedings where the parties agree on who decides the issues, usually from a list of well known unbiased professionals. the thing is though, whatever she wins is a secret. Regardless, this will all settle.

On the criminal issue, sicne it took place in Iraq, only Iraqi law would apply, but I understnad that Iraqi law has said it would not apply to this, so there will be no criminal prosecutions. This is sinful for IRaq's legislature to even consider. Just becuas eits not an iraqi citizen, the nation owes protections to people in thier nation.

Appreciate your legal 2 cents here Dr SL.

I certainly understand that all of this could boil down to being 'well... since it was in Iraq and Iraq (laws) doesn't have a real say or care about justice towards Americans'.... but lets try this out.

What if... what if there were 10-20 American women who were rapped and then killed by this gang of Halliburton shits in the Green Zone of Iraq. Now murder is included in the charges by one surviving victim. Plus, there's proof of this .... no doubt about it. Are we looking at these Halliburton goons walking scott free because it's in Iraq and because of Halliburton's ridiculous bs clause that says no charges can be brought against them?

[The_Bammo]

The Smearing Of Jamie Leigh ([Only registered and activated users can see links])



By Cernig

And so the serious smearing begins of a 22 year old Houston girl, Jamie Leigh Jones, who was gang raped by KBR contractors in Iraq. Bob Owens of the Pajamahedeen and Confederate Yankee is on the case ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).

He finds that ABC hyped their story some but doesn't knock a single hole in Jamie's testimony. The rape kit wasn't handed to KBR, it was State ineptitude that lost and found it again. It wasn't a shipping container, it was a living container (with air conditioning) she was imprisoned in. Both these findings are consistent with Jamie's own account ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and court filings, if not with ABC's. Yet Owens at no point makes it clear that this is the case, deliberately blurring the lines between the ABC story and Jamie's own account to make it appear - without a shred of proof - that Jamie is complicit in ABC's tabloid reporting of actual facts.

But Jamie Leigh's website has removed her journal page, probably because the woman who experienced this traumatic experience is sick of it being poured over feverishly by rightwing "gotcha" seekers like Owens. It is implied with weasel words that this points to Jamie Leigh having something to hide.

And so, although Owens carefully doesn't quite say so in his Pajama's Media post, the mass of wingnut black helicopter theorists catch his intent - that Jamie Leigh is making the whole story up. One commenter opines that: this is their way of avoiding the good news of Iraq and instead focus on "the evils of President Bush's war." The rest aren't far behind.

Over at his own blog, though, Owens has a CYA for his hatchet-job ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).

For those of you who might expect me to be trying to debunk the case... don't.

Though there are some inconsistencies with certain aspects of the case and the way it has been reported, absolutely nothing seems to contradict the key claim that she was savagely, brutally raped. Nothing contradicts the fact that she has not be able to find justice for 2 years.

I think she's a brave young woman, and hope that she can find both emotional and physical healing.Bob Owens should be ashamed of himself for not putting those exact words in his PJM post. At the very least, he should go back and put them in comments to that post. Better still if he amended the post.

Update In an added twist -

One of the charges being levelled at Jamie Leigh Jones by prospective "debunkers" is that she alleges she was held under armed guard by KBR but KBR doesn't have it's own armed security.

They're correct. KBR is meant to get all its security details from the US military...but KBR is under a cloud because it might have to pay back $400 million because it sub-contracted other companies to provide it with private armed guards anyway. ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) The Army has admitted that KBR did this in violation of its contract ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) already.

Can you guess who the biggest contractor to provide armed guards for KBR is?

I'll give you a hint. It begins with "B" and ends with "water".

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[BigJerr]

It appears she is filing a civil action against them. Her signed waiver should apply to civil actions. Who knows if the waiver will hold up in court.

The question is, can criminal charges be filed by the US for crimes that happened in another country? Got me. I seem to remember a magician in the news recently for an alleged rape on an island that was not US territory. I think the Feds were going after him but I do not recall what for and I am to lazy to look.

BTW, the magician was Copperfield.

[ScottLee]

Halliburton has raped an entire nation and gotten away with it...what chance does a single female have?

Tick tick tick, right on down the line.

[101Scout]

I'm wondering now if Ms Jones doesn't have a chance to file charges in a Military Court? I know since she's not considered being 'military' but she is considered US govt employee under Military CONTRACT(S) ..... while again... also on the property of what I call the Green Zone as being a US Military Reservation.... inside Baghdad.

I wish to rephrase the first sentence above in my previous post that may help to clarify it better.


I'm now wondering if Ms Jones should attempt to fles charges with the Military Court?


Keep in mind that the top brass of Halliburton did nothing to assist Ms Jones with her complaints of such criminal actions committed against her by Halliburton employees. That's a crime in itself! Complicity to accessory ...... Obstruction of justice.... Negligence??? Not to mention that they, Halliburton, too seem to operate 'above the laws' much like Blackwater does.

It is also my understanding that Halliburton govt employees in the ME are considered part of the US military there. That is why I suggested that Ms Jones should also file charges in a military court since these crimes were committed in the (US) Green Zone of Baghdad, Iraq.

[101Scout]

I'm now wondering if Ms Jones should attempt to fles charges with the Military Court?


It is also my understanding that Halliburton govt employees in the ME are considered part of the US military there. That is why I suggested that Ms Jones should also file charges in a military court since these crimes were committed in the (US) Green Zone of Baghdad, Iraq.


It appears that Rep Poe and Conyers had the same train of thot that I did with my question here in this thread. The thing is that in their letter to the DoJ, they referred to Ms Jones and the other women raped as US citizens in Iraq under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act instead of referring to them as govt employees attached to active military ops in the Green Zone of Iraq. I think such consideration might make even more difference for bringing true justice for these ladies.



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"These are the worst types of crimes that can happen to a citizen abroad," said Rep. Ted Poe, R-Humble, who wrote the letter with Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich. "I think there's going to be some movement by the Justice Department now that this is in the public domain."

In June, the Houston Chronicle reported that the male suspects in the alleged rapes were not prosecuted.

Poe said Congress could have hearings on the Jones case and others as early as January. In the letter Conyers and Poe sent Tuesday, they ask the Justice Department whether it can investigate and prosecute crimes by U.S. civilians in Iraq under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act.