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I'm gonna get in trouble for this, I know.
The story has been reported on several sites. I am just gonna put it out here with a (I'll try) minimum political commentery, only stick with background info.
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Sep. 25, 2006 -- Before, during, and after the 911 terrorist attacks on the United States, they were seen photographing and conducting other surveillance on critical infrastructure targets around the United States -- from oil refineries in Texas to bridges over the Mississippi and military airbases to nuclear facilities. These young Middle Eastern men and a few women used the cover of door-to-door art sellers to furniture movers to toy vendors at shopping mall kiosks.(Google: Mossad, Zoom 'Copter.. Trap) Their actions aroused the suspicions of federal, state, and local police, however, when detained, they were eventually allowed to return to their home country -- Israel.
Last Friday, another suspicious Israeli -- a 24 year old man -- was stopped by Maryland State Police after a motorist saw him photographing and videotaping the Fort McHenry Tunnel in Baltimore from his van, which had Connecticut tags. The incident, reported in a small "Regional Briefing" page 3 column in the Metro section of the Sep. 24th Washington Post, occurred at around 6:30 pm. The Israelis' actions were reported to the Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center, the Maryland State Police unit responsible for homeland security. A half hour after the initial report on the van was received, Maryland police later found the Israeli's van parked on Interstate 95 in Laurel, Maryland and when troopers asked for the Israeli's drivers license, he did not produce one.
izzzatso
09-27-2006, 04:01 AM
I don't know, haven't run across anything like that. Not saying that there may be something to the story or not... I've not researched it.
There is this though:
The White Van
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?
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Mr.Dude
09-27-2006, 03:37 PM
The White Van
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?
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Not the first incident of our "good friends" taking actions like that.
In the 1967 was of Isreal and its neighbors the National Security Agency was slistenign in on the whole situation. The USS Liberty was patrolling in the Medeterrain of the coast of Isreal. The IDF sent jets which straffed the Liberty and killed and wounded many people on it. The Isrealis did not want the world to know they had started the war.
Why did Adolf Hitler declare war on the United States on December 10, 1941? Because the English BSC had prepared a report that stated the United States would lie to Germany then launch a sneak attack. Roosevelt himself signed the document. It was then channeled to a person known to be a Nazi spy. The document was then shipped to Germany just days before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Hitler read it, freaked out (which is exactly what the BSC had wanted) and he declared war on us.
The truth is that many countries pretend they are our allies. But they are not. During the 20s and 30s the US Army conducted war games using the country they considered to be the most likely agressor: England.
Just because you think someone's an ally, watch most carfeully for a dagger the back.
Easy there Mr. Dude,
I do not think Israel attacked us on 9/11. Let me be clear.
There is evidence that suggests that some Israelis were in on the attack, that is, they were doing the bidding of key elite forces within the Bush Administration that orchastrated 9/11.
The PNAC---the true perps of 9/11.
US military involvement in the Middle East serves both the interests of the USA and Israel. So, some gullible Israeli conservative figures have gotten involved with the evil of the PNAC.
They know not what they are going to unleash upon themeslves.
Evil serves its Evil Master:
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Mr.Dude
09-30-2006, 01:10 PM
Easy there Mr. Dude,
I do not think Israel attacked us on 9/11. Let me be clear.
There is evidence that suggests that some Israelis were in on the attack, that is, they were doing the bidding of key elite forces within the Bush Administration that orchastrated 9/11.
I didn't mean to insinuate that "Isreal" attacked the USA either. But let's stop and consider what we're both saying. Isreal and any American ally should be considered as the majority of the people of that country. Isreal is a country of 6,277,000 people. Are all of them going to think alike and act alike? Not humanly possible. Is it possible that a few individuals are capable of doing things of which the majority would be shocked and horrified to learn of? Yeah, that seems possible. There's all sorts of criminals. Is it possible some of these individuals might want to see the United States take on the Islamic World? Is it possible that these people might learn to act in concert?
Yeah, I think you and I will have to agree that it is possible. And what we've just done is started to talk about it. It is entirely possible for individuals to act in a manner that is inconsistent with the wishes of the majority. How often have we seen "The United States" do something we, as Americans, don't agree with? Yet you and I are held guilty by the world for these acts. Yet we had no say in commission.
The PNAC---the true perps of 9/11.
Yep. Yet we've got to remeber that this is not every member of the government or the military. There are millions of good and honest people who are mixed up by a small cadre of criminals.
US military involvement in the Middle East serves both the interests of the USA and Israel. So, some gullible Israeli conservative figures have gotten involved with the evil of the PNAC.
They know not what they are going to unleash upon themeslves.
These people willingly chose this course of behavior. Nobody put a gun to their head and said "Serve Evil or we'll kill you." And even if that did happen, their duty to mankind demanded that they take one for the team. You either serve freedom and liberty or you serve slavery and evil. You can not serve two masters. These people made their choice. And as for what they are going to unleash? They have sown the wind. Let them reap the whirlwind.
April 3, 2002
The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States
Washington, DC
Dear Mr. President:
We write to thank you for your courageous leadership in the war on terrorism and to offer our full support as you continue to protect the security and well-being of Americans and all freedom-loving peoples around the world.
In particular, we want to commend you for your strong stance in support of the Israeli government as it engages in the present campaign to fight terrorism. As a liberal democracy under repeated attack by murderers who target civilians, Israel now needs and deserves steadfast support. This support, moreover, is essential to Israel’s continued survival as a free and democratic nation, for only the United States has the power and influence to provide meaningful assistance to our besieged ally. And with the memory of the terrorist attack of September 11 still seared in our minds and hearts, we Americans ought to be especially eager to show our solidarity in word and deed with a fellow victim of terrorist violence.
No one should doubt that the United States and Israel share a common enemy. We are both targets of what you have correctly called an “Axis of Evil.” Israel is targeted in part because it is our friend, and in part because it is an island of liberal, democratic principles -- American principles -- in a sea of tyranny, intolerance, and hatred. As Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld has pointed out, Iran, Iraq, and Syria are all engaged in “inspiring and financing a culture of political murder and suicide bombing” against Israel, just as they have aided campaigns of terrorism against the United States over the past two decades. You have declared war on international terrorism, Mr. President. Israel is fighting the same war.
This central truth has important implications for any Middle East peace process. For one spoke of the terrorist network consists of Yasser Arafat and the leadership of the Palestinian Authority. Although your critics in the United States, Europe and the Arab world suggest that you and your administration bear some responsibility for the lack of political progress between Israel and the Palestinians, they are mistaken. As Secretary of State Powell recently stated, the present crisis stems not from “the absence of a political way forward” but from “terrorism…, terrorism in its rawest form.” That terrorism has been aided, abetted, harbored, and in many instances directed by Mr. Arafat and his top lieutenants. Mr. Arafat has demonstrated time and again that he cannot be part of the peaceful solution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He demonstrated it in July 2000, when he rejected the most generous Israeli peace offer in history; he demonstrated it in September 2000, when he launched the new intifada against Israel; and he demonstrated it again these past two weeks when, despite the hand you offered him through Vice President Cheney, he gave sanction to some of the worst terrorist violence against Israeli citizens.
It is true that the United States has a leading role to play in the Middle East and, potentially, in resolving the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. But it is critical that negotiations not be the product of terrorism or conducted under the threat of terrorist attack. This would send a most dangerous signal to our adversaries that civilized states do not have the necessary courage to fight terrorism in all its forms.
Mr. President, it can no longer be the policy of the United States to urge, much less to pressure, Israel to continue negotiating with Arafat, any more than we would be willing to be pressured to negotiate with Osama Bin Laden or Mullah Omar. Nor should the United States provide financial support to a Palestinian Authority that acts as a cog in the machine of Middle East terrorism, any more than we would approve of others providing assistance to Al Qaeda.
Instead, the United States should lend its full support to Israel as it seeks to root out the terrorist network that daily threatens the lives of Israeli citizens. Like our own efforts in Afghanistan and elsewhere, Israel’s task will not be easy. It will not be accomplished quickly or painlessly. But with fortitude, on our part as well on the part of the Israeli people, it can succeed in significantly reducing the risk of future terrorist attacks against Israel and against us. And, in so doing, we will give the Palestinian people a chance they have so far not had under Arafat’s rule -- an opportunity to construct a political culture and government that do not marry their national and religious aspirations with suicide bombers.
Furthermore, Mr. President, we urge you to accelerate plans for removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. As you have said, every day that Saddam Hussein remains in power brings closer the day when terrorists will have not just airplanes with which to attack us, but chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons, as well. It is now common knowledge that Saddam, along with Iran, is a funder and supporter of terrorism against Israel. Iraq has harbored terrorists such as Abu Nidal in the past, and it maintains links to the Al Qaeda network. If we do not move against Saddam Hussein and his regime, the damage our Israeli friends and we have suffered until now may someday appear but a prelude to much greater horrors. Moreover, we believe that the surest path to peace in the Middle East lies not through the appeasement of Saddam and other local tyrants, but through a renewed commitment on our part, as you suggested in your State of the Union address, to the birth of freedom and democratic government in the Islamic world.
Mr. President, in that address, you put forth a most compelling vision of a world at peace, free from the threat of terrorism, where freedom flourishes. The strength of that vision lies in its moral clarity and consistency. In the war on terrorism, we cannot condemn some terrorists while claiming that other terrorists are potential partners for peace. We cannot help some allies under siege, while urging others to compromise their fundamental security. As you eloquently stated: “Our enemies send other people’s children on missions of suicide and murder. They embrace tyranny and death as a cause and a creed. We stand for a different choice, made long ago, on the day of our founding. We affirm it again today.”
Israel’s fight against terrorism is our fight. Israel’s victory is an important part of our victory. For reasons both moral and strategic, we need to stand with Israel in its fight against terrorism.
Sincerely,
William Kristol
Ken Adelman Gary Bauer Jeffrey Bell William J. Bennett
Ellen Bork Linda Chavez Eliot Cohen Midge Decter
Thomas Donnelly Nicholas Eberstadt Hillel Fradkin Frank Gaffney
Jeffrey Gedmin Reuel Marc Gerecht Charles Hill Bruce P. Jackson
Donald Kagan Robert Kagan John Lehman Tod Lindberg
Rich Lowry Clifford May Joshua Muravchik Martin Peretz
Richard Perle Daniel Pipes Norman Podhoretz Stephen P. Rosen
Randy Scheunemann Gary Schmitt William Schneider, Jr. Marshall Wittmann
R. James Woolsey
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