Police to search for guns in homes

[101Scout]

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Police to search for guns in homes

Globe Staff / November 17, 2007

Boston police are launching a program that will call upon parents in high-crime neighborhoods to allow detectives into their homes, without a warrant, to search for guns in their children's bedrooms.
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The program, which is already raising questions about civil liberties, is based on the premise that parents are so fearful of gun violence and the possibility that their own teenagers will be caught up in it that they will turn to police for help, even in their own households.

In the next two weeks, Boston police officers who are assigned to schools will begin going to homes where they believe teenagers might have guns. The officers will travel in groups of three, dress in plainclothes to avoid attracting negative attention, and ask the teenager's parent or legal guardian for permission to search. If the parents say no, police said, the officers will leave.

If officers find a gun, police said, they will not charge the teenager with unlawful gun possession, unless the firearm is linked to a shooting or homicide.

The program was unveiled yesterday by Police Commissioner Edward F. Davis in a meeting with several community leaders.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

Who the hell do those cops think they are?!?!?!

[SouthernDem2006]

It seems to me that if the parents cared, they would search their own child's room.

[Icky]

It seems to me that if the parents cared, they would search their own child's room.
Right.

It may be a bad idea for a parent to NOT CARE about what their children are doing.

But to have the authorities "care" for you seems like an and even worse idea...

[ScottLee]

This is more of the cop mentality run amok. "We know better than you".

It will be interesting to see the reaction of the wingnuts to this one, especially if this nascent Search For Guns plan hits mostly poor/minority homes. My guess is, you won't hear a peep from them when it's not white corn-fed boys getting their doors kicked in for a gun search.

[SouthernDem2006]

This is more of the cop mentality run amok. "We know better than you".

It will be interesting to see the reaction of the wingnuts to this one, especially if this nascent Search For Guns plan hits mostly poor/minority homes. My guess is, you won't hear a peep from them when it's not white corn-fed boys getting their doors kicked in for a gun search.

Odd, I am a Cop and I dont have that mentality. Seems like an unfair generalization to me. Also, no one is kicking in anyones doors.

[101Scout]

Also, no one is kicking in anyones doors.

Not disagreeing with you entirely SD06 ..... But... there's a slight history of cops kicking down wrong doors already and some folks have been badly hurt and killed. It does happen... probably too much.

If I may also add.... unfortunately most all good ideas turn into bad ones in enough time. Something else that I have learned is, most 'evil' thinkers will introduce something very 'friendly' before the public eye that sounds so right..... to get their initial foot inside the door per that idea.

When most ppl first reads this article....they automatically think right off the bat.... "oh how nice... sounds like a wonderful idea...especially when it involves our children and their safety." Right? I've seen kids being as bait about certain issues so many times. How can anyone say no to the ideas that helps protects kids? Right? The easiest way for murking up adult decisions is via talk over giving safety to the kids.

Now, the cops wants to gain the ppl's support for entering premises without court orders... to really help those kids out. See the connection? No court orders..... help the kids. Isn't this 'idea' leaning towards a more policed state when eliminating court orders and 'real' evidence to conduct a property search when contingent on random knocks on citizen's doors with so called homeowner's permission for entry?

I think cops should make available a special call line for parents to ask for 'surprise' visits to their homes in which the call is kept on record and everything is OFFICIAL per the parent's request.

Again, I have to admit that this idea comes off sounding like a very good idea, but once something like this becomes a very accepted 'practice' and the 'norm'.... there will be lots of knocks on doors..... and asking to come into private homes to search them. Soon down the road in time .... there will probably be more 'self-invites' by the cops into the homes..... and probably some cops backing each other saying that they had permission to enter the home... when they didn't.

Guess what's next after that? It becomes law.... or a soft clause added into the Patriot Act that allows home searches without court orders without permission from house owners.... for the safety for the kids. If not the Patriot Act... any municipal 'search' ordinance of every town and city in Amerika.



PS: Also note that such cops are going to be in plain clothes that once again leads to more risk and confusion as to whom exactly is bangin' on the doors possibly ready to force themselves in. Are these really cops? Are they house breakers saying they are cops. Are they bad cops if they are real cops? A lot of risk comes into play once the door lock unlocks and begins to open ..... then it's too late. Think about that. RISK!

[ScottLee]

Odd, I am a Cop and I dont have that mentality. Seems like an unfair generalization to me. Also, no one is kicking in anyones doors.

Yes, I know you're a cop. You've told me several dozen times, especially when there is a thread dealing with police brutality or abuse of power.

[SouthernDem2006]

Not disagreeing with you entirely SD06 ..... But... there's a slight history of cops kicking down wrong doors already and some folks have been badly hurt and killed. It does happen... probably too much.

If I may also add.... unfortunately most all good ideas turn into bad ones in enough time. Something else that I have learned is, most 'evil' thinkers will introduce something very 'friendly' before the public eye that sounds so right..... to get their initial foot inside the door per that idea.

When most ppl first reads this article....they automatically think right off the bat.... "oh how nice... sounds like a wonderful idea...especially when it involves our children and their safety." Right? I've seen kids being as bait about certain issues so many times. How can anyone say no to the ideas that helps protects kids? Right? The easiest way for murking up adult decisions is via talk over giving safety to the kids.

Now, the cops wants to gain the ppl's support for entering premises without court orders... to really help those kids out. See the connection? No court orders..... help the kids. Isn't this 'idea' leaning towards a more policed state when eliminating court orders and 'real' evidence to conduct a property search when contingent on random knocks on citizen's doors with so called homeowner's permission for entry?

I think cops should make available a special call line for parents to ask for 'surprise' visits to their homes in which the call is kept on record and everything is OFFICIAL per the parent's request.

Again, I have to admit that this idea comes off sounding like a very good idea, but once something like this becomes a very accepted 'practice' and the 'norm'.... there will be lots of knocks on doors..... and asking to come into private homes to search them. Soon down the road in time .... there will probably be more 'self-invites' by the cops into the homes..... and probably some cops backing each other saying that they had permission to enter the home... when they didn't.

Guess what's next after that? It becomes law.... or a soft clause added into the Patriot Act that allows home searches without court orders without permission from house owners.... for the safety for the kids. If not the Patriot Act... any municipal 'search' ordinance of every town and city in Amerika.



PS: Also note that such cops are going to be in plain clothes that once again leads to more risk and confusion as to whom exactly is bangin' on the doors possibly ready to force themselves in. Are these really cops? Are they house breakers saying they are cops. Are they bad cops if they are real cops? A lot of risk comes into play once the door lock unlocks and begins to open ..... then it's too late. Think about that. RISK!

Sounded like a dumb idea to me. Also, it wouldnt be effective. Once the kids hear about it, they will just store their weapons somewhere else. Nice sentiment on the police's behalf but not a good idea.

SD

[SouthernDem2006]

Yes, I know you're a cop. You've told me several dozen times, especially when there is a thread dealing with police brutality or abuse of power.

Yet you keep making inaccurate broad generalizations so I will keep pointing that out.

[ScottLee]

Yet you keep making inaccurate broad generalizations so I will keep pointing that out.


You can point it out as the day is long. I don't care if you're a cop. And I will still raise a stink about abuse of police power, and police state mentality, when it is called for.

[SouthernDem2006]

You can point it out as the day is long. I don't care if you're a cop. And I will still raise a stink about abuse of police power, and police state mentality, when it is called for.


No doubt. You might find people take you more seriously when you do not make broad inaccurate generalizations but you are free to type what you please. Since this topic isnt about abuse of power or a police state then I fail to see the point of your posting.

[ScottLee]

No doubt. You might find people take you more seriously when you do not make broad inaccurate generalizations but you are free to type what you please. Since this topic isnt about abuse of power or a police state then I fail to see the point of your posting.

Don't be too quick in assuming how "seriously" people may take you, me or anyone else here. And seizure of guns without the proper procedure is indeed a police state issue.

[SouthernDem2006]

Don't be too quick in assuming how "seriously" people may take you, me or anyone else here. And seizure of guns without the proper procedure is indeed a police state issue.


Ah but they are following the law. I am not sure what you mean by procedure though.

In my opinion, one of the main problems is that society is expecting Law Enforcement and the Prison System to stop crime. What you get is what is being discussed here. This department is doing what it can to try and stop an increasing problem. They mean well but the results will be minimal. Until society as a whole addresses the underlining issues such as poverty, education and employment opportunities crime will continue as is. LE can only do so much.

SD

[Nanette]

You know SD, my ex son in law is a cop, and he commented many, many times on how much they "loved" to use force. Many people on the Charleston police force feel the same way. I have come to think that people may go into law enforement with the best of intentions, but get caught up in internal corruption. There were times that he never came home and never phoned my daughter to let her know that he was ok. They were partying with what had been seized in raids. He and plenty of the other cops he worked with. I think that law enforcement is as corrupt as the lawbreakers in many instances. I am not saying all, but I do know they have a code to protect one another. It totally sucks as far as I am concerned. They have no problems with their conciences covering up for one another in wrongdoing. Maybe where you are an officer there isn't this problem, but believe me it is widespread and the police don't care to brag about what they do here. Give them an inch and they take a mile. They are no better than the slime that they have sworn to protect us from. The only difference is, we can't protect ourselves from them like we can from common criminals

[ScottLee]

Nanette you bring up a good point. I do believe that law enforcement draws people who have a desire to use force over others. Now that's not to say that there aren't some well intentioned people who go into the field, but even they have this desire to some degree. It's a tricky thing, because you need law enforcement in any society - yet its a pitbull that's always on a thin and fraying leash, so the civilian citizenry needs to stay aware and involved to keep them in check.

Recently I saw a video that made me want to puke. It was a bunch of Florida cops laughing about shooting some defenseless woman with rubber bullets. The lady was in her office clothes, and was carrying an anti-war sign, and apparently not backing away from them fast enough for the creeps. Their chief said their actions were deplorable, but we get a steady stream of this nonsense. I would mention the assholes who tased that kid questioning John Kerry. By all rights, they should have been jumped by the other students in that room to stop them.

[SouthernDem2006]

You know SD, my ex son in law is a cop, and he commented many, many times on how much they "loved" to use force. Many people on the Charleston police force feel the same way. I have come to think that people may go into law enforement with the best of intentions, but get caught up in internal corruption. There were times that he never came home and never phoned my daughter to let her know that he was ok. They were partying with what had been seized in raids. He and plenty of the other cops he worked with. I think that law enforcement is as corrupt as the lawbreakers in many instances. I am not saying all, but I do know they have a code to protect one another. It totally sucks as far as I am concerned. They have no problems with their conciences covering up for one another in wrongdoing. Maybe where you are an officer there isn't this problem, but believe me it is widespread and the police don't care to brag about what they do here. Give them an inch and they take a mile. They are no better than the slime that they have sworn to protect us from. The only difference is, we can't protect ourselves from them like we can from common criminals

There is no doubt that there are corrupt and criminal cops out there. We have a former officer in prison right now for selling drugs. I would say the majority however are good Officers. What plays in the media? The bad cop stories. Add in the negative stereotypes in movies and TV. What you come up with sweeping generalizations which are false.

Does anyone really pay attention to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson? Not really... Why? Because they cried wolf to many times. The same occurs when someone says all cops are this or that. If they are actually correct, no one will listen.

SD

[ScottLee]

Does anyone really pay attention to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson? Not really... Why? Because they cried wolf to many times. The same occurs when someone says all cops are this or that. If they are actually correct, no one will listen.

SD

Actually alot of people pay attention to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Rev. Sharpton is national figure with a radio show, and a regular on many other shows of the kind. Jesse Jackson is civil rights leader with activism that goes all the way back to walking shoulder to shoulder with Dr. Martin Luther King.

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[Nanette]

SD, I am going by what came out of my own ex son in law's mouth! Not only did he admit to it he upheld it it in a very sick minded way. Not only that, he was an abuser to his own wife, my daughter. She would come up here and have bruises and I would ask her where they came from and she would lie for him at first. I was just sick from all of it. Then I started talking to other people who had cops in their families, and come to find out this is VERY common. Look at your buddies with more scrutiny SD. You may not like what you find!

[SouthernDem2006]

Actually alot of people pay attention to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Rev. Sharpton is national figure with a radio show, and a regular on many other shows of the kind. Jesse Jackson is civil rights leader with activism that goes all the way back to walking shoulder to shoulder with Dr. Martin Luther King.

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I am sorry but basically calling me a racist is beyond acceptable. I have nothing for you and will not waste my time reading anything you have to post now or in the future. Your post is truely deplorable.

SD

[SouthernDem2006]

SD, I am going by what came out of my own ex son in law's mouth! Not only did he admit to it he upheld it it in a very sick minded way. Not only that, he was an abuser to his own wife, my daughter. She would come up here and have bruises and I would ask her where they came from and she would lie for him at first. I was just sick from all of it. Then I started talking to other people who had cops in their families, and come to find out this is VERY common. Look at your buddies with more scrutiny SD. You may not like what you find!

Unfortunately abuse is common everywhere. I deal with it a lot. Are police more prone to it? I would say yes. They are also more prone to suicide. It comes from a stressful and violent job. There just is no excuse for it.
I am sorry your daughter married a piece of excrement and that excrement happen to be a Cop.

SD

[Nanette]

SD, that excrement is STILL a cop. He is abusive and he carries a gun. That sir scares me. I begged my daughter to file abuse charges against him. Have it documented with pictures of the busted mounth and bruises that she had around her neck and on her arms and face. But she said "Mom I can't do it", he told her that nobody would believe her and if she was out at night that he could make sure that she wouldn't come home. SD she was a nurse in Charleston and worked shift work, he knew she had to choice but to be out all hours of the night. She was afraid to press charges against her abuser because he was a cop and he had his "friends". We felt helpless to do anything for her except to tell her that she could come back home where she would be safe. If he had come to my house in the rages that he had, make no mistake I would have blown his head off, and he knew it. He left her alone after she came home. For month's her Dad and I followed her to work and followed her home. We had a video camera and we are licensed to carry, and well trained to properly use a firearm. Everything would have been documented. We are not stupid people and the excrement knows it.

[SouthernDem2006]

SD, that excrement is STILL a cop. He is abusive and he carries a gun. That sir scares me. I begged my daughter to file abuse charges against him. Have it documented with pictures of the busted mounth and bruises that she had around her neck and on her arms and face. But she said "Mom I can't do it", he told her that nobody would believe her and if she was out at night that he could make sure that she wouldn't come home. SD she was a nurse in Charleston and worked shift work, he knew she had to choice but to be out all hours of the night. She was afraid to press charges against her abuser because he was a cop and he had his "friends". We felt helpless to do anything for her except to tell her that she could come back home where she would be safe. If he had come to my house in the rages that he had, make no mistake I would have blown his head off, and he knew it. He left her alone after she came home. For month's her Dad and I followed her to work and followed her home. We had a video camera and we are licensed to carry, and well trained to properly use a firearm. Everything would have been documented. We are not stupid people and the excrement knows it.

If he still causes problems I would suggest contacting the FBI or your states BI if you do not feel comfortable with local LE. They will investigate...

[ScottLee]

I am sorry but basically calling me a racist is beyond acceptable. I have nothing for you and will not waste my time reading anything you have to post now or in the future. Your post is truely deplorable.

SD


Looks like you tipped your hand and I caught a glimpse of it.


If he still causes problems I would suggest contacting the FBI or your states BI if you do not feel comfortable with local LE. They will investigate...

Oh I LOVE that one! Yes, the cops have a stellar record on investigating their own, no matter how far up the chain you go.

Unreal.

[BigJerr]

This thread has gotten way off topic.

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