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tobyo
09-19-2006, 07:04 PM
Senior Military, Intelligence, and Government Critics of 9/11 Commission Report
Many well known and respected senior members of the U.S. intelligence services, military, and government have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report. Several even allege government complicity in the terrible acts of 9/11.
Listed below are highly critical statements about the 9/11 Commission Report and/or calls for a new 9/11 investigation by 50 of these individuals. Their collective voices gives credibility to the claim that the 9/11 Commission Report is tragically flawed. These individuals cannot be simply dismissed as irresponsible believers in some 9/11 conspiracy theory. Their sincere concern, backed by their decades of service to their country, demonstrate that criticism of the Report is not irresponsible, illogical, nor disloyal, per se. In fact, it can be just the opposite.
9/11 is unquestionably the most important event in American history since December 7, 1941, when Japanese forces attacked Pearl Harbor. The magnitude of its impact on America and the world cannot be overstated. The terrible acts of 9/11 and the events leading up to them deserve a thorough and unimpeachable investigation to learn the facts. And if some rogue element within the U.S. government is responsible for the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on 9/11, as several of these individuals allege, it is critical that that be disclosed and forcefully dealt with.
For the sake of those who died on 9/11, their families, the American people, and for the sake of peace in the world, please continue to seek the truth about 9/11. Demand a thorough and impartial reinvestigation of 9/11.
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these are the people who could pull off an overthrow, a coup, a takeover.....
GREAT post and great info....thanks.
"Patriots question 9/11"
I just love how people feel the need to call into question my Patriotism because I disagree with them.
SouthernDem2006
09-19-2006, 07:41 PM
these are the people who could pull off an overthrow, a coup, a takeover.....
GREAT post and great info....thanks.
You really want such a thing?
Really am curious...
KyndCulture
09-19-2006, 08:03 PM
"Patriots question 9/11"
I just love how people feel the need to call into question my Patriotism because I disagree with them.
Well first of all, no one is calling into a question your patriotism. If you actually read the post that is merely the name of the website.
9/11 Truther, Skeptic or other.... no one is calling for a coup. A coup entails the government being overthrown by the military.... that's far from what we want.
We want to work within our government to get a real independent investigation to answer the burning questions, not create a police state with less freedoms.
I hope you do understand this. No one in the truth movement would ever question your patriotism.
Well first of all, no one is calling into a question your patriotism. If you actually read the post that is merely the name of the website.......I hope you do understand this. No one in the truth movement would ever question your patriotism.
Thanks for clarfiying this.
You really want such a thing?
Really am curious...
I want this administration out of control and in prison where they belong. I want integrity back in our country. WE will not be safe so long as they are in control. This isn't a game SD. This is our lives.
SouthernDem2006
09-19-2006, 11:11 PM
I want this administration out of control and in prison where they belong. I want integrity back in our country. WE will not be safe so long as they are in control. This isn't a game SD. This is our lives.
Aye but ruling be force is not the way to go. This country will survive this period and move on. It has been led by idiots in the past and will be led by idiots in the future but it will survive as it has... Just a couple of more years and there will be change....
webhead
09-20-2006, 12:03 AM
Aye but ruling be force is not the way to go. This country will survive this period and move on. It has been led by idiots in the past and will be led by idiots in the future but it will survive as it has... Just a couple of more years and there will be change....
I don't want to keep diggin the hole, it may get to be too deep to ever climb out!
November 7th is the day we can stop digging the hole. November 8th is the day we can start backfilling. All depends on Dems being elected to gain majority in the House if not the Senate.
If Diebold wins out... It's time to storm the Hill.
Aye but ruling be force is not the way to go. This country will survive this period and move on. It has been led by idiots in the past and will be led by idiots in the future but it will survive as it has... Just a couple of more years and there will be change....
well SD I guess surviving for you is different than it is for some. I am a single mom, a single income, no health insurance for my 3 children and I...I could go on. It gets worse all the time.
We have a government that has attacked our civil rights, attacked our citizens - whether by stupidity, complicity or outright murder, attacked our wages and opportunities, attacked our religion, attacked our intelligence...I could go on.
2 more years? Do I need to list what has happened to thousands if not millions just like me in the US in the past 2 years let alone in the past 6?
I raise my hand to duty every day, I am not suggesting I raise my hand in another way. We have a military and others that should - by the oaths they have taken, be removing this regime from our White House. Congress and the Senate should do so as well.
We have a system broken in a way that has not happened here before. We have a level of corruption that permeates all offices and levels of office. We have sent our young citizens to kill and be killed for no noble or just cause. We have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocents. We ignore our American family here. We are building detainment camps inside the US...
2 more years?
martsmart
09-20-2006, 12:24 AM
I think lil lady pretty much laid it out for ya, SD.
There are just too many Americans who are letting their comfort zone be their, well......comfort zone.
DO you want to wait until you are ordered to arrest someone for something you might have doubts about constitutionally?
We are on our well on our way there when the President of the U.S. is telling us it is unnacceptable to think differently than he does.
NO, SD, it don't look good, and these are not normal times in which to expect election cycles to just bring us back to sanity. It didn't work that way with Nixon, and I'm afraid it's not going to work that way now.
Even the Move On people I was phone banking with to get voters out agreed these are not normal election times, but we still have to work the election as if it were.
I would like to hear your thoughts on this.
martsmart
09-20-2006, 12:34 AM
PS.
I don't think we have idiots in power now.
The idiot factor is just sideshow; kinda "bread and circuses" stuff really brought up to date....one more believeable distraction for the gullible citizen.
How easy it is to say "Bush is an idiot" and move on.
No, these people are not dumb at all.
Bush may not be bright, but he never had to be.
The whole thing has worked just fine for nearly 6 years now....I think that says more about the mindsets of the current American citizenry than it does about the criminals who have found it so easy to subjugate them to their will.
SouthernDem2006
09-20-2006, 08:15 AM
I think lil lady pretty much laid it out for ya, SD.
There are just too many Americans who are letting their comfort zone be their, well......comfort zone.
DO you want to wait until you are ordered to arrest someone for something you might have doubts about constitutionally?
We are on our well on our way there when the President of the U.S. is telling us it is unnacceptable to think differently than he does.
NO, SD, it don't look good, and these are not normal times in which to expect election cycles to just bring us back to sanity. It didn't work that way with Nixon, and I'm afraid it's not going to work that way now.
Even the Move On people I was phone banking with to get voters out agreed these are not normal election times, but we still have to work the election as if it were.
I would like to hear your thoughts on this.
We have legal means to address our current problems. The Republicans are currently in control and did it legally. Yes, people are unhappy. When aren't people unhappy? When did everyone have insurance etc? The US has always had problems that doesnt mean a coup is called for. Its easy to say the Bush admin is doing things illegally but proving it is another story. (Except for the wiretapping.)
Fortunately there will be no coup. Heck, if there was an attempt by anyone I would be one of the ones defending the government. We are a nation of laws. We are a Democracy. Just because some people are unhappy does not mean they have the right to force their views on others. I never was a socialist....
SD
martsmart
09-20-2006, 09:26 AM
We have legal means to address our current problems. The Republicans are currently in control and did it legally. Yes, people are unhappy. When aren't people unhappy? When did everyone have insurance etc? The US has always had problems that doesnt mean a coup is called for. Its easy to say the Bush admin is doing things illegally but proving it is another story. (Except for the wiretapping.)
Fortunately there will be no coup. Heck, if there was an attempt by anyone I would be one of the ones defending the government. We are a nation of laws. We are a Democracy. Just because some people are unhappy does not mean they have the right to force their views on others. I never was a socialist....
SD
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SouthernDem2006
09-20-2006, 10:06 AM
Yes, the Comfort Zone is more than a kind of mattress.............
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:shrug: You think you know me from post on an internet site. :shrug:
Kind of rude actually but that seems to becoming rather common around here these days. Oh well...
tobyo
09-20-2006, 10:13 AM
:shrug: You think you know me from post on an internet site. :shrug:
Kind of rude actually but that seems to becoming rather common around here these days. Oh well...
methinks you've misunderstood. I haven't known mart to be rude.
SouthernDem2006
09-20-2006, 10:15 AM
methinks you've misunderstood. I haven't known mart to be rude.
Click on the link he posted for wiki. Still have that opinion?
tobyo
09-20-2006, 10:18 AM
Click on the link he posted for wiki. Still have that opinion?
yep.
martsmart
09-20-2006, 10:19 AM
:shrug: You think you know me from post on an internet site. :shrug:
Kind of rude actually but that seems to becoming rather common around
here these days. Oh well...
The President telling us it is unacceptable to think differently from him isn't at the very least rude?
SD, I can only know you by what you post, just as you can only know any of us by what we post here.
And please don't take it personally, as you are hardly the only one in your camp, as I am hardly alone in mine...
If you disagree with me, please address the points, as I am, I can take it....
That is what this forum is for.
:)
SouthernDem2006
09-20-2006, 10:56 AM
The President telling us it is unacceptable to think differently from him isn't at the very least rude?
SD, I can only know you by what you post, just as you can only know any of us by what we post here.
And please don't take it personally, as you are hardly the only one in your camp, as I am hardly alone in mine...
If you disagree with me, please address the points, as I am, I can take it....
That is what this forum is for.
:)
I fail to see a point to address in your previous post. You disssmissed me and my post by calling it mental conditioning. In no way did you address any point.
SD
KyndCulture
09-20-2006, 11:50 AM
I fail to see a point to address in your previous post. You disssmissed me and my post by calling it mental conditioning. In no way did you address any point.
SD
Why must you be so hostile all the time?
SouthernDem2006
09-20-2006, 12:15 PM
Why must you be so hostile all the time?
How so? I was responding to posts and my opinion was dismissed as mental conditioning. How was I hostile?????????????????????????????????
Click on my profile. View all my posts. How am I hostile? I catch alot of grief but dont think I respond that bad.
I remember your reply when I thought of leaving this board. It was a profanity filled attack and I am still not sure of what it all meant. I never commented on it. Heck, you reposted it again and again after the admins deleted it.
I get attacked or insulted periodicly because I do not share some views. I am not the only one so I dont bring it up. Sure, I ignore it alot of times but sometimes I don't. No, its not all aimed at me. Some people just respond with hostility when others disagree. Heck, go look at DU if you want a good example.
IF I ever do respond with a hint of rudeness its in response to yet another personal attack.
How would you take it if I called your views part of mental conditioning? Would you like to be dismissed?
We have legal means to address our current problems. The Republicans are currently in control and did it legally. Yes, people are unhappy. When aren't people unhappy? When did everyone have insurance etc? The US has always had problems that doesnt mean a coup is called for. Its easy to say the Bush admin is doing things illegally but proving it is another story. (Except for the wiretapping.)
Fortunately there will be no coup. Heck, if there was an attempt by anyone I would be one of the ones defending the government. We are a nation of laws. We are a Democracy. Just because some people are unhappy does not mean they have the right to force their views on others. I never was a socialist....
SD
a democracy is OF, BY, and FOR the people...wed do not have a democracy right now.
They didn't do it legally but that is just MHO just as it is yours that they did do it legally.
Aren't you forcing your views as much as anyone else here?
Ho
How would you take it if I called your views part of mental conditioning? Would you like to be dismissed?
I understand what you are saying SD but you are equally guilty of doing the same thing...you dismiss my views all the time and you do not actaully address what I say only what you think I say. So what's the difference?
I have no beef with you, in fact I have stood up for you several times but hey ya can't call a spade a spade and not lable yourself as the same.
KyndCulture
09-20-2006, 01:23 PM
I understand what you are saying SD but you are equally guilty of doing the same thing...you dismiss my views all the time and you do not actaully address what I say only what you think I say. So what's the difference?
I have no beef with you, in fact I have stood up for you several times but hey ya can't call a spade a spade and not lable yourself as the same.
All I am saying is the hostility is unecessary.
We can disagree with decorum and civility can't we?
All I am saying is the hostility is unecessary.
We can disagree with decorum and civility can't we?
why are you quoting me and talking about hostility? I am not being hostile in the least.....?
KyndCulture
09-20-2006, 01:32 PM
why are you quoting me and talking about hostility? I am not being hostile in the least.....?
I was talking to SD. sorry
I'm not feeling well and the fingers aren't working right.... no harm intended.
SouthernDem2006
09-20-2006, 01:32 PM
a democracy is OF, BY, and FOR the people...wed do not have a democracy right now.
They didn't do it legally but that is just MHO just as it is yours that they did do it legally.
Aren't you forcing your views as much as anyone else here?
We are a Democracy. We vote. We are a nation of laws. Not everyone can do what they want. I know of no better system.
SouthernDem2006
09-20-2006, 01:34 PM
All I am saying is the hostility is unecessary.
We can disagree with decorum and civility can't we?
Yes but how was I uncivil? I do not call people names. I do not attack them personally. I do not post profanity. What here have I said that was uncivil?
I think the mental conditioning thing was uncivil.
We are a Democracy. We vote. We are a nation of laws. Not everyone can do what they want. I know of no better system.
hey I can agree with that BUT just because YOU think our election system is free, fair and legit doen't mean I do and you are no more of an expert than I am so that being said when you become condesending you yourself tip the scales of nicities.
I responded to your first post quoting me and you have addressed nothing I said. It is valid and true for my life (and others) whether it is for yours or not.
SouthernDem2006
09-20-2006, 01:39 PM
I understand what you are saying SD but you are equally guilty of doing the same thing...you dismiss my views all the time and you do not actaully address what I say only what you think I say. So what's the difference?
I have no beef with you, in fact I have stood up for you several times but hey ya can't call a spade a spade and not lable yourself as the same.
I disagree with you views, I have never dismissed you or talked down to you. As I have stated before, I do not agree with MIHOP or LIHOP but support the right your to speak your views. I also support your call for the government to provide all information. When have I not done so?
Yes, I choose not to get involved in 9/11 discussions. They always turn ugly. I tried on DU and it was horrible. Some people view a difference of opinion as a personal affront.
I am not labeling anyone. I posted a view and got an insulting response. I pointed that out. Should I question your mental state when it comes to 9/11? I think that would be rude and unfair myself.
SD
I disagree with you views, I have never dismissed you or talked down to you. As I have stated before, I do not agree with MIHOP or LIHOP but support the right your to speak your views. I also support your call for the government to provide all information. When have I not done so?
Yes, I choose not to get involved in 9/11 discussions. They always turn ugly. I tried on DU and it was horrible. Some people view a difference of opinion as a personal affront.
I am not labeling anyone. I posted a view and got an insulting response. I pointed that out. Should I question your mental state when it comes to 9/11? I think that would be rude and unfair myself.
the conversation you and I are currently having has nothing to do with 911, mihop or lihop. we are talking about elections. just because you believe in them still does not mean others do and your knowledge and belief of such is no better than mine.
SD
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