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[101Scout]

Great article for launching any exposure campaigns against wannabe war vets!!


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Vietnam veteran wannabes, imposters, fakes, frauds, pretenders, poseurs - call them what you will. You rarely heard about them when the stereotyped image of the Viet vet was the dysfunctional baby killer who just couldn't seem to get his act together back in The World. Today, they're a growing plague, and a pox on the community of veterans.

"They're a nationwide epidemic," said Mary Schantag, who with her husband, Chuck, devotes countless hours to the POW Network they operate out of their home in Skidmore, Missouri. Said Chuck: "We've documented over seven hundred phony prisoners of war from Vietnam - more than the total number of POWs who were repatriated in '73. Every time we expose an imposter, it seems like we get reports of two or three more. Their numbers just keep growing and growing."

"We see it everywhere," VVA President Tom Corey told the New York Times last year. Acknowledging VVA had discovered that several veterans had claimed to have been prisoners of war, he said, "A lot of times they say they're Navy SEALs or special forces or POWs, and a lot of them never left stateside."

Of course, fake warriors are not a new phenomenon. "Historically there have always been pretenders," points out Bob Greene, staff assistant to the director of the VA's New York Harbor Healthcare System and a member of VVA Chapter 126. "This is nothing new."


Frauds and wannabes are of two types: Many are legitimate veterans, men and women who have rendered honorable service but feel the need to inflate their records with deeds of derring-do. They often elevate themselves into SEALs or Green Berets or Rangers or LRRPs, veterans of special ops, recipients of the nation's highest decorations, up to and including the Medal of Honor.



Legitimizing their claims, they falsify their DD-214s, which is about as difficult to do as going to Staples to buy the whiteout they'll need.

While the VA requires an original or a certified copy of a veteran's 214, most VSOs and employers that accept the DD-214 as proof of service are not so demanding. Even third-generation copies are accepted. How intently they are scrutinized for discrepancies is open for discussion. It is usually when a fraudulent veteran attempts to rise within the organization or run for office that his lies crumble.

The wannabes know no boundaries of race or class or ethnicity, of enlisted man-- and, in a few instances, woman - or officer. More than a few have led lives of prominence and success: The onetime publisher of the largest daily newspaper in Arizona, Darrow Tully. A congressman from Oregon, Wes Cooley. A sitting judge in Missouri, Michael O'Brien. The Pulitzer Prize-winning historian at Mt. Holyoke College, Joseph Ellis. The onetime manager of the Montreal Expos baseball club, Tim Johnson.



How to Spot a Wannabe

Many veterans are reticent to share their experiences with anyone but brother veterans. Former prisoners of war are hesitant to talk of their travails. Recipients of the Medal of Honor are among the most humble of men.

Wannabes do not share these traits.

A wannabe is someone who basks in the valor earned by others, as Special Forces veteran Norb DeBolt puts it on his Web site, [Only registered and activated users can see links]

U.S. Army Special Forces soldiers refer to themselves as the "Quiet Professionals," and others have referred to them as "Warrior Diplomats." Wannabes are not quiet, not professional, not diplomatic, and most of all, they are not warriors.

At a patriotic event, wannabes "will be the ones dressed in well-worn fatigues, adorned with all sorts of ribbons and patches, and of course, wearing their berets. [T]hey will be telling war stories about their dangerous missions, and all their medals. Of course, when pressed for proof, [nothing] can be documented. It was all classified and not in their records; records are sealed; or records were destroyed in the fire at the Records Center in St. Louis several years ago."

[zatoichi1]

I agree with this post.

The one Medal of Honor recipient that I personally knew, was not into bragging about his exploits. He was as down to earth as any person I knew.

Regretably he died in a vehicle accident the same year he retired.

As for the other combat vets you are so right.

[The_Bammo]

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Many frauds claim veteran status in order to boost their careers. Phonies abound in Hollywood, on Wall Street, in politics, in academia, and in journalism. For instance, silent screen star Tom Mix claimed to have charged up San Juan Hill with Teddy Roosevelt. In reality, Mix never saw combat--unless one counts the time his wife shot him. Military records list Mix as a deserter.
Actor Brian Dennehy claimed for years that he served a five-year tour as a Marine in Vietnam, where he was wounded in action. In reality, Dennehy's only Vietnam "action" was on-screen in A Rumor of War, in which he portrayed a Marine gunnery sergeant. While Dennehy did serve in the Marines, it was not in Vietnam; his only "combat duty" was playing football in Okinawa in 1962.

Then there are the political "veterans" whose war records are even more dubious than their campaign promises. In 1984, Robert Sorensen was a Connecticut state representative running for reelection. When challenged on his opposition to opening legislative sessions with the Pledge of Allegiance, Sorensen huffily replied: "My patriotism should not be questioned by anyone because . . . when my country called me into service, I fought in Vietnam."
Except that he didn't, as his opponent quickly discovered. Even then, Sorensen brazened it out, employing an excuse that, for sheer audacity, can't be beat. "For the first time ever, the American public had before them a war in their living rooms," he explained. "Every single person in this United States fought in that war in Vietnam. We all felt the anguish that those people felt. So in a sense I was there."
Veterans who actually were in Vietnam being shot at with real bullets, might be forgiven for thinking that, in a sense, Sorensen was a horse's ass. (Sorenson withdrew from the race.)
Senate candidate and Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke also ran on his Vietnam "war record," claiming he'd participated in rice drops behind enemy lines for the CIA. Real Vietnam veterans exposed him. Duke's only military "service," it turned out, consisted of brief membership in the ROTC at Louisiana State University, where authorities kicked him out when Duke began airing his nutty beliefs.

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[TheBoss(DCA)]

Good thread and I have a question. Isn't their some kind of law coming down the pike that makes it illegal to play veteran on the internet? I heard a vague snippet of such a bill on DU so am taking it with a grain of salt.

[zatoichi1]

Good thread and I have a question. Isn't their some kind of law coming down the pike that makes it illegal to play veteran on the internet? I heard a vague snippet of such a bill on DU so am taking it with a grain of salt.

Good luck with that one.

There are frauds of all kinds of shapes and sizes and content. Not to mention context.

[The_Bammo]

Good thread and I have a question. Isn't their some kind of law coming down the pike that makes it illegal to play veteran on the internet? I heard a vague snippet of such a bill on DU so am taking it with a grain of salt.

Don't think so Boss, if so a lot of people would not be paying an ISP monthly fee!

Even if something did come down the pike--how the hell is anyone going to be able to enforce it??

There is no law against coming off as a Vet Bro'--as long as you do not wear the CMH --you can claim to have it--serious - but wearin' it is a no no - and I really do not know what would be done if one was caught wearing the CMH and it went to court! Depends on ones piaster ($$$) and lawyer.

Boss, your not going to stop these phonie SOB'S. Part of the American Way today!

Got a lot of General Georges on here Bro'--beaucoup!

What they gain - well they must have very low self esteem to begin with!

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Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

Good luck with that one.

There are frauds of all kinds of shapes and sizes and content. Not to mention context.


Exactly zatoichi, lets get off the internet and look inside the White Hootch! Big ol' fraud there!

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

The Price...

Sections from the U.S. Code

Counterfeiting and Forgery

498. Military or naval discharge certificates
Whoever forges, counterfeits or falsely alters any certificate of discharge from the military or naval service of the United States, or uses, unlawfully possesses or exhibits any such certificate, knowing such to be forged, counterfeited, or falsely altered, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more that one year or both.
Emblems, Insignia, and Names

Title 18 United States Code
Sec. 702. Uniform of the armed services and Public Health Service
Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform, or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed services of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Sec. 704. Military medals and decorations


(a) In general - Whoever knowingly wears, manufactures or sells any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof, except when authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.



(b) Congressional Medal of Honor **



(1) In general - If a decoration or medal involved in an offense under sub-section (a) is a Congressional Medal of Honor, in lieu of the punishment provided in that sub-section, the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisonment not more than one year, or both.




(2) Definitions - (A) As used in this sub-section (a) with respect to the Congressional Medal of Honor, "sells" includes trades, barters, or exchanges for anything of value.





(B) As used in this sub-section, "Congressional Medal of Honor" means a medal awarded under section 2741, 6241, or 8741 of Title 10.

** [ Note: $100,000 fine max. for an individual and $200,000 fine max. for a corporation.] Author's commentary:
Regarding 18 U.S.C. Sec. 702 and 704(a):
18 U.S.C. Sec. 3559(a)(7) provides that an offense having a maximum assessable term of confinement of more than 30 days and less than 6 months is a Class B misdemeanor.
18 U.S.C. Sec. 3571(b)(6) provides that the maximum fine for a Class B misdemeanor not resulting in death is $5,000 per count on which the Defendant is convicted.
Regarding 18 U.S.C. Sec. 704(b):
18 U.S.C. Sec. 3559(a)(6) provides that an offense having a maximum assessable term of confinement of more than six months and less than one year is a Class A misdemeanor.
18 U.S.C. Sec. 3571(b)(5) provides that the maximum fine for a Class A misdemeanor not resulting in death is $100,000 per count on which the Defendant is convicted.

[101Scout]

The Price...

Sections from the U.S. Code

Counterfeiting and Forgery

498. Military or naval discharge certificates
Whoever forges, counterfeits or falsely alters any certificate of discharge from the military or naval service of the United States, or uses, unlawfully possesses or exhibits any such certificate, knowing such to be forged, counterfeited, or falsely altered, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more that one year or both.
Emblems, Insignia, and Names

Title 18 United States Code
Sec. 702. Uniform of the armed services and Public Health Service
Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform, or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed services of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Sec. 704. Military medals and decorations


(a) In general - Whoever knowingly wears, manufactures or sells any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof, except when authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.



(b) Congressional Medal of Honor **



(1) In general - If a decoration or medal involved in an offense under sub-section (a) is a Congressional Medal of Honor, in lieu of the punishment provided in that sub-section, the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisonment not more than one year, or both.




(2) Definitions - (A) As used in this sub-section (a) with respect to the Congressional Medal of Honor, "sells" includes trades, barters, or exchanges for anything of value.





(B) As used in this sub-section, "Congressional Medal of Honor" means a medal awarded under section 2741, 6241, or 8741 of Title 10.

** [ Note: $100,000 fine max. for an individual and $200,000 fine max. for a corporation.] Author's commentary:
Regarding 18 U.S.C. Sec. 702 and 704(a):
18 U.S.C. Sec. 3559(a)(7) provides that an offense having a maximum assessable term of confinement of more than 30 days and less than 6 months is a Class B misdemeanor.
18 U.S.C. Sec. 3571(b)(6) provides that the maximum fine for a Class B misdemeanor not resulting in death is $5,000 per count on which the Defendant is convicted.
Regarding 18 U.S.C. Sec. 704(b):
18 U.S.C. Sec. 3559(a)(6) provides that an offense having a maximum assessable term of confinement of more than six months and less than one year is a Class A misdemeanor.
18 U.S.C. Sec. 3571(b)(5) provides that the maximum fine for a Class A misdemeanor not resulting in death is $100,000 per count on which the Defendant is convicted.

Damn Bammo! Great post! You got on the inside of the Pentagon to get this one. Good job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[The_Bammo]

LOL --- quiet Bro', that above is confidential! LOL

Seriously speaking Bro', what do you think of a ace of a whatever kind of Vet that tells his cult that he gets wanna bees by asking them what a P 38 is?

Did you ever see that post Bro'! LOL

Now I would say the ace or ass who made that post is a serious wanna bee!

Whats your drift on this here BS? I reaklly fliped when I seen this ace in the hole post this BS. A free-ken P 38 (LOL) can you believe that sheet?

Army Navy Store Vet or what?

Hang Tough~

[101Scout]

Whats your drift on this here BS? I reaklly fliped when I seen this ace in the hole post this BS. A free-ken P 38 (LOL) can you believe that sheet?

Army Navy Store Vet or what?


Yeah I remember that Bammo. I think at the time that the Ace in its Hole was simply trying to learn from us the inside scoop about Nam so he could further his wannabe war veteran career. I was being carefull not to disclose all that I knew or remembered about Nam at that time, so other wannabes would not pull the same crap after finding out what they could. Most of the time I'm able to tell what's fake from what's real concerning the Nam much ike you can Bammo. I have to admit though, there's a lot of info out there that really gives those wannabes their war vet's mask to wear in these forums.

It will be interesting now to watch how wannabes work the Iraq war now. I'm sure under this heavy Republican 'patriotic' war chanting, that many more new wannabes will surface in these coming years. It will take the real war vets of Iraq and Afganistan to provide the final sifting out process for what's really going on inside Iraq in order to expose those fakers. Gee Bammo, think what if Ace in its Hole had a son and to possibly create a new generation of a wannabe Iraq war vet just like daddy was. You know, I wonder if that really takes place with those wannabes? Do they try to pass the art of faking it down to their kids?

[The_Bammo]

Yeah I remember that Bammo. I think at the time that the Ace in its Hole was simply trying to learn from us the inside scoop about Nam so he could further his wannabe war veteran career. I was being carefull not to disclose all that I knew or remembered about Nam at that time, so other wannabes would not pull the same crap after finding out what they could. Most of the time I'm able to tell what's fake from what's real concerning the Nam much ike you can Bammo. I have to admit though, there's a lot of info out there that really gives those wannabes their war vet's mask to wear in these forums.

It will be interesting now to watch how wannabes work the Iraq war now. I'm sure under this heavy Republican 'patriotic' war chanting, that many more new wannabes will surface in these coming years. It will take the real war vets of Iraq and Afganistan to provide the final sifting out process for what's really going on inside Iraq in order to expose those fakers. Gee Bammo, think what if Ace in its Hole had a son and to possibly create a new generation of a wannabe Iraq war vet just like daddy was. You know, I wonder if that really takes place with those wannabes? Do they try to pass the art of faking it down to their kids?


LOL---hear you on the passing down the trade of wanna bee Bro' --for sure! Do not know if ace in the hole has a son, if so poor kid --damn. LOL

Maybe the ace in the hole will feel generous and pass his trade of wanna bee over to his son in law! LOL Hell if he is as good as ace in the hole, he might not get deported unless ace in the hole dimes his azz out. Anything is a possibility with the ace of the Barbe Poles Bro' - anything.

Remember when we were in the SWAMP doing our thing against the "SHRUB" and Sandy Babes ace of a gopher, tried to use his free-kin make believe power on our azz's. Then he was kind of shunned by the wanna bee Lifer Brigade and their groupee's in RA - all of a sudden here comes this ace of a dude, trying to kiss our azz for acceptance. LOL

We played the fool like a damn pin ball listening to his boring ass wanna bee BS. Man, I read his sheet and couldn't keep a straight face. LOL

I wonder if the ace like the french fry darns the Army Navy medals and uniform for the Veterans Day parade! LOL - That there would be one ace of a sight to see. LOL Free-ken loser Bro', but thell him that , he knows but doesn't want to recognize the problem.

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

Fake War Hero Dupes N.C. College

NEW YORK, April 21, 2005 (CBS) This story was written by CBSNews.com's Kevin Hechtkopf Frank Strickland knew something was wrong when Lisa Jane Phillips told stories of heroism in Iraq and Afghanistan on her college campus in Raleigh, N.C.

The Meredith College student said she was a pilot, and wore an Air Force captain's uniform with numerous medals to prove it. Phillips frequently left school for a few weeks at a time, saying she was going on a mission.

But Strickland, the campus police chief and a helicopter pilot during the Vietnam War, was skeptical of her claims of two-week deployments to combat areas like Iraq and Afghanistan.

He notified federal investigators of his suspicions.

"He realized this is not how the military runs," said Frank Crocco, resident agent in charge of the Department of Defense's Criminal Investigative Service in Raleigh.

After an investigation, federal investigators from the Defense Department and the FBI arrested Phillips earlier this month and indicted her on 12 charges stemming from false impersonation of a military officer of the United States.

The government said her stories were made up and the uniforms and medals she wore were not earned. Her claims led to her tuition and fees being waived at Meredith, a private women's college. Her free ride totaled $42,178.

Strickland said he initiated the investigation because he was disturbed by the privileges that Phillips received as a veteran if she wasn't. He said everyone at the school felt duped by her.

"It's just totally wrong," he said.

Phillips, 34, of Cary, North Carolina, began attending the school in January 2002. Following her absences from the school, she would e-mail detailed stories of what was happening to school administrators, said Mike Saylor, Supervisory Senior Resident Agent for the FBI in Raleigh, whose office also worked on the investigation.

"Her story was so elaborate. She was involved in everything. She single-handedly saved the country," Cynthia Stroot, of the Criminal Investigative Service, told The News and Observer in Raleigh.

"She lived her story," said Saylor in comparing this case with other cases of military impersonations. "She went through a lot of pain. . . She took a long time on it."

According to investigators, Phillips said she had broken her arm during one mission and claimed to have recovered from another injury at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington.

Phillips bought uniforms, medals and flight suits over the Internet and at military surplus stores, investigators said.

The indictment said she wore 10 different medals, including a Bronze Star, a Purple Heart, and a European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal that was given out during World War II.

"Because she was wearing the uniform and medals, they believed it," Stroot said.

Due to the ongoing criminal case against Phillips, officials at Meredith declined to discuss why her tuition had been forgiven, except to say that it is not a regular practice for members of the military, and that all financial aid is handled on a case-by-case basis.

Spokeswoman Kristi Eaves-McLennan said the school is cooperating in the investigation.

"As an institution with a strong honor code, Meredith is deeply committed to maintaining an atmosphere of trust and honor throughout the campus," said a statement released by the school. "The college takes equally serious its obligations to maintain the privacy of student records."

Phillips' attorney, Woody Webb, said that his client had a personal problem which she is addressing, and that they are entering into plea negotiations with the government.

"My client will take full responsibility for whatever she is accountable for," Webb said.


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[talidapali]

I dated a wannabe for a year and a half. He was in the Navy as a corpsman in the late seventies, but he never saw anywhere overseas or even outside the state he was born in. He served his entire enlistment in Memphis, Tennessee at the Naval Hospital there. But he always liked to claim he was a "Vietnam Era vet". He never actually said he was a Vietnam vet, but he never really explained what he meant when he said Vietnam era. Truth be told, his enlistment was like 1977 or 1978, which I think put him outside the "era" as well. He was born in '57 and I was born in '62 and I was in high school in '77 and I don't recall Vietnam still going on.

But, he turned out to be a liar and a woman beater and a thief so, I suppose he should be a poser as well. It kind of makes sense, and a perfect fit for him.

[101Scout]

I dated a wannabe for a year and a half. He was in the Navy as a corpsman in the late seventies, but he never saw anywhere overseas or even outside the state he was born in. He served his entire enlistment in Memphis, Tennessee at the Naval Hospital there. But he always liked to claim he was a "Vietnam Era vet". He never actually said he was a Vietnam vet, but he never really explained what he meant when he said Vietnam era. Truth be told, his enlistment was like 1977 or 1978, which I think put him outside the "era" as well. He was born in '57 and I was born in '62 and I was in high school in '77 and I don't recall Vietnam still going on.

But, he turned out to be a liar and a woman beater and a thief so, I suppose he should be a poser as well. It kind of makes sense, and a perfect fit for him.

Not saying for sure but my guess is that they may consider Vietnam Era to be from '58 to '75. Vietnam was over by '75. I think the last boot in-country was '73. I may be wrong. The '58 part of it may be way too early... but seems like that's when out 'first' advisors entered Vietnam. The main thing is, you're x bf was bsing you like you said. I'm also sorry he did what he did to you... inclyding the physical/verbal abuse, as it simply re-enforces what assholes these jerks are. They usually prey on those who are unable to defend themselves..... as they spin their world of bullcrap in order to pursued them first. I also really appreciate your contribution here in this thread about your own personal experience with this. Do you know to this day if he still flaunts his bs still? Do you know if he is in any political forums?

Oh... my own personal take concerning the difference between a veteran is and a war veteran is, that anyone who served in the military service deserves to be callled a service veteran. One who has served in-country home to a war is a war veteran. Now some will use Vietnam Era as to claim being a 'war' veteran of which I myself, do not see being proper. I think it's ok to claim the Vietnam Era veteran status followed up with where they were stationed. Otherwise I think that should simply say for an example: Thailand Veteran, and if it applies, during the Vietnam War..... or Thailand Vet/Vietnam Era. Hell, they could even say they were stationed in the USA and was a Vietnam Era Veteran.

This. (wannabes) is something that I personally feel that takes away from the ones killed and wounded of that war of which these fakers disgrace with their personal fakes claims and charade. Yes, it also disgraces those of us that are still alive (walking dead) as well.

Thanks again talidapali for your fine post.

[The_Bammo]

I dated a wannabe for a year and a half. He was in the Navy as a corpsman in the late seventies, but he never saw anywhere overseas or even outside the state he was born in. He served his entire enlistment in Memphis, Tennessee at the Naval Hospital there. But he always liked to claim he was a "Vietnam Era vet". He never actually said he was a Vietnam vet, but he never really explained what he meant when he said Vietnam era. Truth be told, his enlistment was like 1977 or 1978, which I think put him outside the "era" as well. He was born in '57 and I was born in '62 and I was in high school in '77 and I don't recall Vietnam still going on.

But, he turned out to be a liar and a woman beater and a thief so, I suppose he should be a poser as well. It kind of makes sense, and a perfect fit for him.


talidapali First lets get the Vietnam Era Vet specified -

Vietnam-era Veterans are presently defined as persons who served on active duty for more than 180 days, any part of which occurred between February 28, 1961 and May 7, 1975, and were discharged or released therefrom with other than a dishonorable discharge, or who were discharged or released from active duty for service-connected disabilities if any part of such active duty was performed between August 5, 1964 and May 7, 1975. Service between February 28, 1961 and August 5, 1964 must have been performed within the Republic of Vietnam in order to qualify.

Okay out of the way - and I do not have anything against a Era Vet or any Vet as long as they are honest, which this dude you describe was far from. Why in the hell would anyone claim to be a Vietnam Era Veteran ? I bet this loser liked the "SHRUB" big-time!!

You nailed the sorry SOB talidapali - for sure! Way to go. The liar and beater BS - is lack of self esteem and wanting of power which he has no testacle fortitude to obtain any other way. You should of nailed the sad SOB with a Louisville Slugger - talidapali, right in the head.

Your way better off without this wanna bee SOB talidapali, as you must know. The SOB will get his, wait and see.

Hang Tough~

[zatoichi1]

Would I have been proud to serve as a combatant? Absolutely! But I never got the chance.

Am I glad that I never got shot at? Absolutely!

I was trained by men who were in combat. They convinced me that being in combat is anything but glorious. I remember one drill sargaent who recalled that when he was under fire, he hated his buttons. Those buttons were keeping him from being lower on the ground.

I am proud of my service. But I am very glad I was never under fire.

Whatever glory real vets have is well earned and the country should act accordingly. That said it is truly unbecoming to impersonate the real thing. Those that found themselves in combat often have to go through all kinds of physical and emotional trauma.

The wannabes are truly a lower form of life.

[talidapali]

You nailed the sorry SOB talidapali - for sure! Way to go. The liar and beater BS - is lack of self esteem and wanting of power which he has no testacle fortitude to obtain any other way. You should of nailed the sad SOB with a Louisville Slugger - talidapali, right in the head.

Your way better off without this wanna bee SOB talidapali, as you must know. The SOB will get his, wait and see.

Hang Tough~
Well, I never nailed him much...I did pull a bunch of his hair out, but it was his best friend (a REAL Vietnam vet who has suffered ever since with PTSD) that finally had it with him and punched him through a screen door and into the front yard of his apartment (after the poser tried to pull his controlling BS on him). Then his friend called me up and apologized for not believing me when I told him that the poser was hitting me. I felt so bad for the real deal guy, he was shaking and crying cause it really shook him up.

[The_Bammo]

Scout, BSB, this ones for you as well as for me!

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Does that fit the image of this thread?

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

Would I have been proud to serve as a combatant? Absolutely! But I never got the chance.

Am I glad that I never got shot at? Absolutely!

I was trained by men who were in combat. They convinced me that being in combat is anything but glorious. I remember one drill sargaent who recalled that when he was under fire, he hated his buttons. Those buttons were keeping him from being lower on the ground.

I am proud of my service. But I am very glad I was never under fire.

Whatever glory real vets have is well earned and the country should act accordingly. That said it is truly unbecoming to impersonate the real thing. Those that found themselves in combat often have to go through all kinds of physical and emotional trauma.

The wannabes are truly a lower form of life.

You should be proud of your service zatoichi, without a doubt. Your not trying to be something your not and I can dig that and admire it as well.

Your honest and your a Veteran as far as I am concerned Bro' - no ifs, and or buts about it!

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

Well, I never nailed him much...I did pull a bunch of his hair out, but it was his best friend (a REAL Vietnam vet who has suffered ever since with PTSD) that finally had it with him and punched him through a screen door and into the front yard of his apartment (after the poser tried to pull his controlling BS on him). Then his friend called me up and apologized for not believing me when I told him that the poser was hitting me. I felt so bad for the real deal guy, he was shaking and crying cause it really shook him up.

They are out there talidapali, for sure! Glad you got a piece of him and glad the Nam Vet got an adrenaline rush again. Must have been quite a while. Serious, the SOB is lucky the Nam Vet didn't go off on him all the way! That was the make believe era vets lucky day!

See the Nam vet stood beside his buddy and his buddy lied to him --but he was there for this weasel. When he found out --it hurt him more that he did not believe you than it did kickin' the SOB'S azz.

Thats my score on that deal talidapali.

Hang Tough~

[talidapali]

Yeah, but I still worry about "George" (the real deal guy). I have lost touch with him and I worry that he is okay. I hope so, he deserved a lot better than he got when he came home.

[zatoichi1]

What does piss me off was the way those vets were mistreated.

What a lot of peopled do not know was the degree that many people looked at the vets.

I remember a coworker tell me that he, by his own admission, was wrong to think the Viet Nam vets dogged it. This guy was a vet himself and a cop during the Viet Nam war era.

I remember an aquantance tell me that right after he got back from Viet Nam, his father who dearly loved him asked that he not come around his businesses. His father had a negative view of the vets.

This is in stark contrast with my brother who has/had a friend, one of his best friends, who was war vet. My brother would not stand for any nonsense of what I posted above directed toward his friend and for that matter any other vet. This was from a Viet Nam war protestor (as was his friend).

The Viet Nam war vets had to put up with a lot of baloney.

[The_Bammo]

Yeah, but I still worry about "George" (the real deal guy). I have lost touch with him and I worry that he is okay. I hope so, he deserved a lot better than he got when he came home.

I hear ya' --for sure. Thing is talipali, we were losers and the government let the blame of their fiasco go on the Nam Vets back. (Americans hate losers) So we were not only cannon fodder for Uncle Samuel but we shouldered his blame and the beat still goes on --as you seen with John Kerry when he ran for Prez in 2004. I hope the Bro' is doing okay as well.

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

What does piss me off was the way those vets were mistreated.

What a lot of peopled do not know was the degree that many people looked at the vets.

I remember a coworker tell me that he, by his own admission, was wrong to think the Viet Nam vets dogged it. This guy was a vet himself and a cop during the Viet Nam war era.

I remember an aquantance tell me that right after he got back from Viet Nam, his father who dearly loved him asked that he not come around his businesses. His father had a negative view of the vets.

This is in stark contrast with my brother who has/had a friend, one of his best friends, who was war vet. My brother would not stand for any nonsense of what I posted above directed toward his friend and for that matter any other vet. This was from a Viet Nam war protestor (as was his friend).

The Viet Nam war vets had to put up with a lot of baloney.

Hell yeah Zatoichi, your right the hell on the money!

And look what I said to talidapoli about Kerry, the beat goes on - for sure.

Is there still bitterness between a lot of Vietnam Vets and the people and this government, bet on it.

Bro' we didn't even put on job applications that we were Nam Vets, we wouldn't of got hired--we were crazies, druggies, losers etc. etc. Hell we couldn't even go in these big time BS Veteran clubs. So we started our own, Vietnam Veterans of America. It wasn't the war protestors, it was the yuppy azzwipes with the $$$ and the government.

Some went one way, some isolated, some had bikes and did their thing. I did the second and third.

And now Bro', you know what goes up my azz big time is when some smuck is saying to me- thank you for your service - and I know this azzwipe is doing it out of this Made in China Yellow Ribbon BS fad. Thank me for what - Uncle Ho wasn't coming over here and raping anyones sister or mother. We fought to survive. We were young and dumb. Would I fight for this country again? No way jose, someone elses turn to be duped by Uncle Sammy not me. We didn't fight for anyones freedom or flag -- we fought to see the next day, to put another mark on our calender, one day less - one day we made it. There it is Bro'. And then we get back here and Mr. Yuppy calls us hippies and anti Americans because we marched and demonstrated for our rights and benefits with the VVAW. I said screw them and stil say screw them, they are not my people. Look at them letting this BS go on--they are paying with the tax dollar to put Americans as well as Iraqi's in body bags and in hospitals all messed up. Why --no damn draft--it don't effect them so screw it! Let little Johnny or Pretty Mary get thrown in SHRUB'S fiasco and see how fast their attitudes would change. This country is all about one thing and that is not Americans banning together - its about individualism. I can afford it --so screw the next dude. There it is, and thats whats going to end it.


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[The_Bammo]

Now, that is funny!

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Thanks Bro', how did ya' like the Pet Bulldog??

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[The_Bammo]

Senate passes bill to punish medal fakers


By PETER ROPER
THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN

It started out as a college research paper, but Thursday night the Senate gave unanimous approval to the Stolen Valor Act Ñ new legislation that would punish people who fraudulently wear the Medal of Honor and other decorations for military bravery.
The measure is now pending in the House, where it is expected to easily pass sometime this month.
Pam Sterner, of Pueblo, started the legislation moving when she researched the problem of military imposters for a political science class at Colorado State University-Pueblo in the fall of 2004.
Sterner, along with her husband, Doug, have been very active in national and local organizations devoted to the Medal of Honor. Doug Sterner's Web site, Home of Heroes, has such a complete data base about Medal recipients that it has been used numerous times to expose imposters around the nation. "With all the calls we were getting about frauds and imposters, it was clear that a stronger law was needed," Mrs. Sterner said Friday.
The Stolen Valor Act makes it a federal crime to falsely claim to have received, or wear, the Medal of Honor and other military decorations, including the Purple Heart, which is given to U.S. military personnel wounded in combat. Current federal law only penalizes imposters who are caught wearing the Medal of Honor.
Rep. John Salazar, D-Colo. and a veteran, sponsored the legislation soon after he was elected in 2004 but the Senate completed action on it Thursday. Given the pressures of an election year Ñ and the patriotic nature of the bill Ñ the House is expected to take action on it later this month.
"It is our job in Congress to protect the honor and integrity of our veterans, to make sure the memory of their heroism is not tarnished," Salazar said in a statement Friday. "This legislation is now on the fast track and our coalition is working hard to have it on the president's desk before the year is out."
Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., sponsored the measure in the Senate.
CSU-Pueblo President Joe Garcia complimented Mrs. Sterner on the accomplishment Friday, saying, "The Stolen Valor Act is a tremendous example for all citizens to see of an individual who has taken the initiative on a matter about which she feels strongly."

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This is kind of touchy with me. The Book Stolen Valor was wrote by B.G. Burkett a "SHRUB" backer and a NeoCon - for sure. So the name of this above (Stolen Valor Act ) kind of makes me wonder --what the hell is going on!! These people (Dems) are not sheltered and I know, they know about B.G Burkett and his bahing of J.Kerry and backing of the "SHRUB" and affiliation with the Swift Boat Liars. Stolen Valor was written by B.G. Burkett & Glenna Whitley- personally I wouldn't give a piece of dog sheet for this book.

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B.G. Burkett kept Kerry-bashing stayin' alive on Hannity & Colmes

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Burkett wants to recover his stolen valor by stealing the valor of thousands of other Vietnam veterans. Burkett does have, however, one big fan. Last year President George W. Bush pinned the Army Decoration of Distinguished Civilian Service on Burkett's chest. Since Burkett's ability at researching military records is so good, I'm surprised that he hasn't been able to find his president's missing military records.

Those are just two on Burkett - and there are many more to prove his intentions.

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