Gun rights

[skald]

So, who here supports idividual rights to keep and bear arms?

[zatoichi1]

I do.

That said, background checks are reasonable requirements.

[SouthernDem2006]

I do.

As long as we enforce the current gun laws and re-enstate the automatic weapons ban.

[ohioblues]

Me too.

[101Scout]

Ditto

[CybAnt]

So, who here supports idividual rights to keep and bear arms?

I do.

I also support gun control.

I don't see any conflict between these two things.

[firelock]

I do.

I also support gun control.

I don't see any conflict between these two things.

It depends on what you consider "gun control". If you're speaking of reasonable restrictions and common sense regulation, then I agree. The rub however is the definition of "reasonable" and "common sense".

[CybAnt]

Well, of course there's the rub.

We accept that many rights come with responsibilities. You have the right to own and drive a car, but not to do donuts on peoples' lawns with it or mow down pedestrians on sidewalks.

You have the right to own a home, but not use it for crack parties. :evilgrin0036[1]:

So, of course, you have the right to own and use a gun, but with that comes responsibilities. Just seems to me that for the last 25 years when asked what, if any, responsibilities gun owners should have, the NRA's answer has been "none". Strange no one seems to think the same about homes or cars, for example.

[firelock]

Well, of course there's the rub.

We accept that many rights come with responsibilities. You have the right to own and drive a car, but not to do donuts on peoples' lawns with it or mow down pedestrians on sidewalks.

You have the right to own a home, but not use it for crack parties. :evilgrin0036[1]:

So, of course, you have the right to own and use a gun, but with that comes responsibilities. Just seems to me that for the last 25 years when asked what, if any, responsibilities gun owners should have, the NRA's answer has been "none". Strange no one seems to think the same about homes or cars, for example.

While I've been a long time member of the NRA, I've not been in lock-step with all of their views. In fact, there is quite a diversity of opinion among the membership as to the issue of gun control.

[CybAnt]

That being undoubtedly the case.... Mr. Heston should then stop pretending like he speaks for all gun owners.

[skald]

Yeah, common sense would be instant background check for all firearms personal firearms from the pistol to the 'assault rifle' upto belt-fed machineguns.

And then putting the state National Gaurd independent of the Federal Government except in cases of a congress declared war.

[4§©®]

When it comes to gun rights fuck the NRA and their "project exile."

Instead of the NRA fighting for the gun rights of urban america. It
demanded and offered to fund cities like Philadelphia to punish gun
ownership (the city deemed illegal) with mandatory five year jail.

Again, fuck the NRA. They seem more KKK, then Pro-2-Amendment.

[GymGeekAus]

Hmm. I suspect there was a sigh of relief when the piece of this thread about militias having the same access to weaponry as the country at large spontaneously disappeared at that last board hiccup. Radicals don't like outing themselves.

My stances: Pro 2nd-Amendment. Pro-gun control. Pro-enforcement. Anti-"make my day law." But pro-self defense.

[firelock]

That being undoubtedly the case.... Mr. Heston should then stop pretending like he speaks for all gun owners.

Charlton Heston hasn't been the spokesman for the NRA for quite some time now.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

for all gun owners!


Charlton Heston hasn't been the spokesman for the NRA for quite some time now.

[The_Bammo]

It depends on what you consider "gun control". If you're speaking of reasonable restrictions and common sense regulation, then I agree. The rub however is the definition of "reasonable" and "common sense".

Firelock, you seem to know a thing or two on firearms from your post above.

Let me ask you Firelock is this the right form when firing a handgun?

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Maybe SD06 could help with this one. Is this the proper way or form of handling a semi automatic handgun?

Curious here!

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

So, who here supports idividual rights to keep and bear arms?

Depends on who owns them and is aiming them at me.

Do I support the second amendment - is that the question?

Yes, I do support the second ammendment. What about you skald, where do you stand on this issue. Don't be afraid to ellaborate, okay!

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

I do.

As long as we enforce the current gun laws and re-enstate the automatic weapons ban.

Clue me in here SD, what Automatic Weapons are legal without a special azz license and a lot of paperwork?

Automatic Weapons - Machine Guns --right -


It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.
To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence. Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.
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Pretty damn heavy regs there on a fully auto SD and I know a Law official like yourself knows the difference between fully auto and semi auto. I am right on this SD. I sure hope so!

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

It seems very contradictive to me with this weapon control and regulation arguments that go on in Uncle Sammy land today. Why - at the age of seventeen, I was trained by the U.S. of A to use a weapon that was paid for by the U.S. taxpayer.

The same was true when I was eighteen and sent to Vietnam, but I was given a fully automatic weapon bought and paid for by the U.S. taxpayer. Only difference from shooting targets back in the states, I now could kill with this weapon. And that was what that weapon was totally for.

In a free fire zone, you could use the weapon on any Vietnamese no matter of age, sex or wheter they had their hands up, armed or not! They were fair game!

After my stints in the Nam , I come back here and hear all this gun BS. Seriously, I was totally freaked out. I just was given the okay to use a fully auto on about anyone that I wanted to - bought and paid for by the taxpayer of this country and approved by the government. And now back here after my first stint, I could not even buy a free-ken beer, never mind a weapon --legally!

This here really blew my mind at the time and even after my second stint, I could not figure out the reasoning on this issue!

Well America, get ready, a new breed of G.I.'S are ready to hit the streets, that were bought and trained with your tax money and approved by the Neocons to do their dirty work.

Wonder how confused these front row G.I.'S will be? I say as much and in some cases more than I was.

Hang Tough~

[SouthernDem2006]

Firelock, you seem to know a thing or two on firearms from your post above.

Let me ask you Firelock is this the right form when firing a handgun?

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Maybe SD06 could help with this one. Is this the proper way or form of handling a semi automatic handgun?

Curious here!

Hang Tough~

The right way is the way that works for you. The most popular stances are the weaver and modified weaver stance. Some instructors preach them like they are the Gosphel. There is nothing wrong with the pictured stance.

Personally, I often have a flashlight in my off hand so I practice several stances. In the real world pretty range stances are often not possible. When engaging a threat on the street it seems we often have little cover. In those cases its best to keep moving so stances just dont work. A whole lot of point shooting in the real world.

Peace Out
SD

[firelock]

Firelock, you seem to know a thing or two on firearms from your post above.

Let me ask you Firelock is this the right form when firing a handgun?

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Maybe SD06 could help with this one. Is this the proper way or form of handling a semi automatic handgun?

Curious here!

Hang Tough~

Let's see! Weight forward, good Isosceles stance & hold. Looks pretty good!

[SouthernDem2006]

Clue me in here SD, what Automatic Weapons are legal without a special azz license and a lot of paperwork?

Automatic Weapons - Machine Guns --right -


It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.
To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence. Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.
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Pretty damn heavy regs there on a fully auto SD and I know a Law official like yourself knows the difference between fully auto and semi auto. I am right on this SD. I sure hope so!

Hang Tough~


No fully auto weapons are legal without the proper license which cost a small fortune and is a pain to get. The only fully auto weapon I have is a M-16 and that belongs to my Department.

Actually is often hard to tell if a weapon is fully auto unless you fire it or take it apart. I am not a gun armorer so I might not be able to tell if it were taken apart. To many different types of weapons out there.


SD

[firelock]

No fully auto weapons are legal without the proper license which cost a small fortune and is a pain to get. The only fully auto weapon I have is a M-16 and that belongs to my Department.

Actually is often hard to tell if a weapon is fully auto unless you fire it or take it apart. I am not a gun armorer so I might not be able to tell if it were taken apart. To many different types of weapons out there.


SD

That "selective fire" switch on the right side will give you a clue! :icon_cool:

[SouthernDem2006]

That "selective fire" switch on the right side will give you a clue! :icon_cool:

Only on weapons with one. The vast majority of modified guns do not have them. You can make any gun fully auto if you know how. Many require very little machining.

[SouthernDem2006]

There is real world shooting and then there is target shooting.... I have done them both and the best stance is whatever is best for you at the time.

Police should train shooting various different ways. Competition shooters are a different story....

[101Scout]

The right way is the way that works for you. The most popular stances are the weaver and modified weaver stance. Some instructors preach them like they are the Gosphel.
SD

the weaver stance? is that when one raises a weapon at their own chosen peak and then squeezes the trigger at the beginning of it's drop with the bead on the target? I'm not familiar with the 'weaver'

[SouthernDem2006]

the weaver stance? is that when one raises a weapon at their own chosen peak and then squeezes the trigger at the beginning of it's drop with the bead on the target? I'm not familiar with the 'weaver'

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Its the way I shoot at the range.

There are alot of funky stances out there.

[101Scout]

Hey Bammo... wonder what the tune is playing on the radio .... 'Bad to the Bone"? I never understood why it takes mickey mouse ears to soundproof a hand weapon when outdoors.

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[SouthernDem2006]

Hey Bammo... wonder what the tune is playing on the radio .... 'Bad to the Bone"? I never understood why it takes mickey mouse ears to soundproof a hand weapon when outdoors.

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Probably the new electronic type.

[101Scout]

Here ya go.... [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Its the way I shoot at the range.

There are alot of funky stances out there.

Oh ok... the basic two handed grip hold. Heck I thot it was all sorts of zig zag stuff.

[zatoichi1]

Only on weapons with one. The vast majority of modified guns do not have them. You can make any gun fully auto if you know how. Many require very little machining.

That is true.

Anyone can file down the sear so the weapon can be fully automatic.

:37840bouncyblondegi I just used this smiley because I like to see them bounce.

[101Scout]

:37840bouncyblondegi I just used this smiley because I like to see them bounce.

Now those are moving targets!!! :evilgrin0036[1]: Is it time for the 'weaver' application?

[The_Bammo]

The right way is the way that works for you. The most popular stances are the weaver and modified weaver stance. Some instructors preach them like they are the Gosphel. There is nothing wrong with the pictured stance.

Personally, I often have a flashlight in my off hand so I practice several stances. In the real world pretty range stances are often not possible. When engaging a threat on the street it seems we often have little cover. In those cases its best to keep moving so stances just dont work. A whole lot of point shooting in the real world.

Peace Out
SD

Thanks SD, appreciate your time and reply! You don't happen to know the dude that is firing the hand gun? I know somebody here knows who that is---guaranteed!

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

Let's see! Weight forward, good Isosceles stance & hold. Looks pretty good!

Thanks for the reply ~

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

That "selective fire" switch on the right side will give you a clue! :icon_cool:

Firelock, you seem to know a lot! You a Veteran Firelock?

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

Only on weapons with one. The vast majority of modified guns do not have them. You can make any gun fully auto if you know how. Many require very little machining.

Altering a firearm like that is totally against the law, right SD? And not very dependable either. Yeah you can buy them but don't put them in! That is altering - big time!

Definate jail time for that action according to the BATF.

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

the weaver stance? is that when one raises a weapon at their own chosen peak and then squeezes the trigger at the beginning of it's drop with the bead on the target? I'm not familiar with the 'weaver'


Bro', did you qualify with the 45 in the Army?

Hang Tough~

[SouthernDem2006]

Altering a firearm like that is totally against the law, right SD? And not very dependable either. Yeah you can buy them but don't put them in! That is altering - big time!

Definate jail time for that action according to the BATF.

Hang Tough~

Very illegal to modify without a license. They arent really dangerous though. Its a simple mod that doesnt alter the gun much. Some guns can turn auto with extended use. The sear wears down and off they go...

The ATF has no sense of humor. :)

[The_Bammo]

That is true.

Anyone can file down the sear so the weapon can be fully automatic.

:37840bouncyblondegi I just used this smiley because I like to see them bounce.

That there is a definate double dribble -------on basketball!

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

Very illegal to modify without a license. They arent really dangerous though. Its a simple mod that doesnt alter the gun much. Some guns can turn auto with extended use. The sear wears down and off they go...

The ATF has no sense of humor. :)

I do hear ya' on that one SD06, their sense of humor is very fine! LOL

Hang Tough~

[101Scout]

Bro', did you qualify with the 45 in the Army?

Hang Tough~

Nope sure didn't bro. Training didn't put us through it. I did qualify to carry sidearms when I made it to the 159th tho. Had my choice of .38 or .45 or both if I felt John Wayne enough.

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[The_Bammo]

Nope sure didn't bro. Training didn't put us through it. I did qualify to carry sidearms when I made it to the 159th tho. Had my choice of .38 or .45 or both if I felt John Wayne enough.

:spit:

38 and 45 Bro', but no qualification - Choppers right? Qualified with the 1911 45 Bro', didn't do too damn bad either! LOL

In Nam you could of had your 38 and 45 Bro', I'll take my pig (M-60) anyday!

Hang Tough~

[zatoichi1]

38 and 45 Bro', but no qualification - Choppers right? Qualified with the 1911 45 Bro', didn't do too damn bad either! LOL

In Nam you could of had your 38 and 45 Bro', I'll take my pig (M-60) anyday!

Hang Tough~

I swear to God. I am not a bad shooter, I am terrible.

If used a 38 my shot group might fit in a garbage can cover.

[101Scout]

38 and 45 Bro', but no qualification - Choppers right? Qualified with the 1911 45 Bro', didn't do too damn bad either! LOL

In Nam you could of had your 38 and 45 Bro', I'll take my pig (M-60) anyday!

Hang Tough~

Yeah choppers... but it was my armorer status that gave me 'legal' rights to carry. That, plus I had my choice of the selection available in our company's armament annex.

Ever lose a gas plug (action) in your pig?

[The_Bammo]

I swear to God. I am not a bad shooter, I am terrible.

If used a 38 my shot group might fit in a garbage can cover.

LOL--- recommend a 12 guage Bro' - hey your honest! LOL

Practice zatoichi, practice, only place to get is better. Dry fire, practice the squeeze --watch the barrel if it moves when you squeeze one off. It is supposed to surprise ya' when it burps!

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

Yeah choppers... but it was my armorer status that gave me 'legal' rights to carry. That, plus I had my choice of the selection available in our company's armament annex.

Ever lose a gas plug (action) in your pig?

Nope never lost one Bro', always carried an extra anyway and an extra barrel .

Hey did you work on those 40 mike mike's and Miniguns - 123mm rocket systems?

Where did a Armorer go for training Bro' ?

Hang Tough~

[101Scout]

Nope never lost one Bro', always carried an extra anyway and an extra barrel .

Hey did you work on those 40 mike mike's and Miniguns - 123mm rocket systems?

Where did a Armorer go for training Bro' ?

Hang Tough~

We didn't sport the miniguns on our birds.

Training was showing up in the Nam bro..... it didn't require class#1 armorer training. You know the deal.... they said "boy, you're our armorer now"

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[101Scout]

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Hey bro... this isn't you sporting a keg of Labats inside your gut is it? If it is.... hey, we all have a little pouch now.... just messin' with your head some.

[The_Bammo]

Let's see! Weight forward, good Isosceles stance & hold. Looks pretty good!

LOL---looks good hey, wonder why? Think the dude firing the cap shooter needs a gym, just my oppinion! Too many French Fry's, I bet!

What you think Firelock, think that dude should do a little trimmin' down?
What happens if the Pillsbury Doughboy runs out of ammo, how the hell is he going to run?

Hang Tough~

[The_Bammo]

Hey bro... this isn't you sporting a keg of Labats inside your gut is it? If it is.... hey, we all have a little pouch now.... just messin' with your head some.

Labatts my azz Bro', nope not me Bro' - how you flip the bird on this thing? LOL

That Santa pouche is a French Fry gut Bro', serious - seen that kind before! LOL

Labatts is that a French Canadian Beer? Think I knew a dude named Frenchy that swilled that stuff down! Remember I told you about him Bro'?

Your a real comedian, is that me!!! LMAO

Hang Tough~